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What TV shows are you watching? Aug 2, 2014 19:41:46 GMT

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Post by V on Aug 2, 2014 19:41:46 GMT

Jul 28, 2014 21:28:32 GMT Jinniy said:

I don't know, it's bonkers. From what it looks like they want to keep the girls in high school as long as possible, but surely there must be a better way to stretch out senior year? Apparently time is going to speed up after the Christmas episode, but what was the point of stretching out autumn for so long in the first place?! The reddit interview took place before the show was renewed for two more seasons, I think. Maybe the time jump depends on the fate of a movie?

Agreed. I believe that both of them stand on a neutral ground. Neither of them have ties to Rosewood and are unbiased. They are here to help. Wilden was somehow tied in this whole NAT club/Cape May business and Garrett joined the police force in order to tamper around with evidence (and to protect Spencer?). Given the girls' recent history with the police, I can see why there are so afraid of the cops and feel threatened merely by their presence. (Not going to lie, Tanner is somewhat intimidating.) I hope the girls learn to trust both of them and realise that they are there to help. I mean, Hanna already started to warm up towards Holbrook. Also props to him for being the only male authority figure who isn't a major creep. I'd also love to see Spencer heading down that path, especially since both of her parents are lawyers and all. Can I also mentioned how much I love the good cop-bad cop dynamic between Detective Holbrook and Lieutenant Tanner?!

Yeah, exactly. Someone mentioned how Alison just seemed overly fake and sweet in that dinner scene with Emily's mum and it kinda seemed off, and then someone else suggested that Sasha Pieterse probably doesn't know where her character stands right now. I mean, Ali was being fake on purpose, but the actors aren't usually told about their storylines MONTHS before it actually happens. So maybe the writers have something big planned for Alison and no one knows yet?
I guess at this point we are just led to believe that Noel was helping her out because he was blackmailed into doing so, which is pretty lame, if you ask me. Maybe there's more to his secrets and Mona having his books. Maybe the writers lied to us, idk. It's just odd that out of all the people he's the one to help people whenever someone's on the run. First Maya and now Ali?!

I never understood why Aria and Alison were friends in the first place or what appeal Ali saw in Aria that made her recruit her for her mean-girls squad. Emily was in love with Alison and therefore it was easier to manipulate her, Alison has this twin obsession and Hanna just boasted the perfect opportunity for that, plus Ali made Hanna feel special and fed on the latter's insecurities, and Spencer, well, she's smart and Alison's next door neighbour...but Aria? Why would the most popular girl in school want to hang out with an outcast? What could Aria offer to her that someone else couldn't? Alison picked her friends wisely and mostly for shallow reasons, but Aria just doesn't add up.

One of the writers commented on Twitter how Aria would just sit in her room all day long, if it weren't for Ezra. It was joke, but it's kinda sad how true it actually is.

At the end of season two, after Mona is revealed as A, Doctor Sullivan states that Mona suffers from a personality disorder and that her activity as A was linked to her high intelligence. It was never mentioned what personality disorder she suffers from and it was never brought up again. I can understand why the writers wouldn't want to slap some label on both Mona's and Spencer's conditions, especially since the media has a bad reputation of spreading many misconceptions when it comes to mental illnesses. Thinking about it, we don't really know much about Mona. I just hope that there is more to her backstory than Loser Mona, i.e. why is she so obsessed with Alison?

Plus, Melissa also lost her fiance to Spencer, Ian cheated on her more than once and she gets blackmailed by A all the time. I understand why Mrs. Hastings is so quick to defend her whenever Spencer jumps at her, even if it's been established that both parents seem to favour Melissa. I always thought Melissa and Peter were similar when it came to lying and keeping secrets from people. Spencer and Veronica, on the other hand, at least both seem to be guided by some sort of moral compass. But lately we've seen how Melissa just wants to break the silence and is sick of the lying, it's very interesting.

Back when Mona was added as the fifth liar, I hoped that they would touch on those similarities. You know, since both were in the same boat and were forced to work together. Somehow the writers manage to carve up those perfect opportunities and storylines, but they always ditch them. Heck, at this point I wouldn't be mad if Mona pointed out all those parallels to Spencer just to taunt her. That'd be interesting since Spencer still looks down at Mona.

Someone also tried to kill Jenna three times and there's still no sympathy for her and the liars never touch on that. What is it about Jenna that someone tried to kill her not once, or twice, but thrice!? Hopefully we see the girls warm up to her. Hanna came to the realisation that she never had a reason to hate, maybe something magically enlightents the other girls.
Yeah, I'm interested in how the power struggle will play out through out this season. Episode ten sounds interesting because an innocent man is going to be arrested for kidnapping Alison and the latter has to confirm if it was him. The liars start to crumble and there's this struggle between morality and their loyalty towards Ali.

I guess they haven't just done a normal pace year round instead of super slow followed by a time jump because they want the christmas episode to slot in after the mid-season finale somewhere, like the halloween ones do? even so, the christmas episode could have been done in flashback, in which case, the timeline is still unnecessarily slow/fast. Who knows, but I really don't think the show can work as a movie? VMars worked because it is, and always has been a discourse on intersections of crime, race, class and gender and the corruption of the justice system. It has substance, and thus it worked as a movie. Whilst I'd still say PLL IS a feminist show (4 female leads, plus majority female side characters who talk about more than boyfriends thus passing the bechdel test a billion times over = feminist) it doesn't REALLY discuss those issues as it's main thing. I just can't see how they could sustain a coherent plot with satisfying thematic exploration in 90+ minutes.

Yes, I like the introduction of actual clean cops who can act as parental sort of figures. Major MAJOR props to Holbrook for being the only adult male who is not a pedophile or mixed up in something equally creepy. I also like that Tanner is so authoritative and intimidating - she is also Holbrook's superior - because it puts a woman in control of saving/helping other girls. There isn't going to be a male hero here, just male assistance. Yeah, why was Garrett's motivation for police work 'to protect Spencer' btw? What was the connection? Spencer as a cop is my dream, because she'd be denying her parents in a way. Lawyers, particularly criminal lawyers, are regarded scum by cops because they help out criminals for money. Obviously, those lawyers have to take work, but cops are SO governed by morality that they see the money as secondary. It would escalate the tension between Spencer, who is a total millenial (open, honest, concerned with morality, right and wrong, sees beyond her class etc), and her parents, who are very much of their generation and class (more concerned with money, with their own homes and don't look at the implications of their work beyond the self-centered concerns).

I feel like Alison was also overly sweet and fake in that dinner scene simply because she's totally transformed and has been plunged back into this old life where she's a horrid person and everyone hates her. She's also not had to do the 'go to school go to your friends for dinner make nice conversation have a nice relationship with their parents' thing in so so so so long. she's forgotten what is and isn't standard in these situations, because she's lived on her own, totally anonymous, cut off and without contact with anyone, never mind maternal figures. Pieterse also probably hasn't a clue what's going to happen, absolutely, and she is also the youngest member of the cast (17?) so she may just be learning how to act Alison's emotions in this situation for the first time. At this point, Noel has ceased to exist to me. Like, he was super sketchy but he was meant to be super sketchy and now he's just creepy and mixed up in this stuff with no discernible motive, reason or further plotline??

I don't know much about the relationships in the books, so perhaps Aria and Alison's relationship just didn't translate. I still have a hard time believing it from even the most basic facts: Aria grew up with intelligent but only middle class(ish) parents, reads classic literature and watches classic films, odd fashion sense etc but Alison is pristine dresser, grew up with parents who were never home, upper class, society kind of people who probably only watched classic films or read novels because that was what was being discussed at the monthly book/film club meeting or at the society ball or whatever. Like, HOW are these two friends? Perhaps Aria was captivated by Alison, maybe saw her as a wealthier version of herself?? But I still have no idea what Alison saw in Aria. It's obvious that Emily was chosen because she was easily manipulated, as was Hanna and that (I think anyway) Spencer was her equal in a way, and that they had a deeper and more complicated bond - I get the sense they've been neighbours for the majority of their lives, so they've probably grown up together.

Aria would absolutely just sit in her room and read/watch films/put beads and feathers on clothes if it weren't for Ezra, and, by proxy, the girls and A.

In another world, I'd have them make a point of naming Mona's and Spencer's mental issues (whatever they may be, just specifically acknowledge them) and then treat them as background to the characters. I'd also love if, at some point, we'd get some real acknowledgement of the trauma that A has left the girls with. I want to hear about their paranoia, their trouble sleeping, dealing with the sheer terror they've lived with for like 3 years now. And then see them all getting help and helping eachother and reconstructing their lives post-A. Because recovery from bullying/stalking etc is just as hard as dealing with it when it's happening.

I NEED more Mona backstory. Parrish is more than capable of giving us that. That kind of cruelty just doesn't happen in a vaccum and something definitely has happened beyond being called 'Loser Mona'. That bullying didn't even isolate her - because EVERYONE was bullied?? So she'd still have all of those other victims to understand her and empathise with her.

Melissa is one of those characters everyone hates but I've always admired. The sibling rivalry between the two sisters has been dropped lately and I really like it. The moments where they have this quiet solidarity, where they ALMOST make friends and tell eachother everything are some of the most peaceful moments we get on the show. Their relationship really tells about the pressure on girls to outdo eachother, to compete with eachother, rather than to join together and work together to make the world work for them. Their relationship would actually be pretty harmonious if it weren't for the paternal and other external pressures. I hope that Melissa comes to rail against Peter, because that would, again, be a massive middle finger up to this image of white, upper class, corporate America from compassionate youth who just want to help.

I was so disappointed that those parallels weren't explored. They would have really brought Spencer down a couple of levels because, try as she might to empathise with others, she is still an inherent snob (though this is based more on intelligence, morality and other characteristics than on class and wealth).

Perhaps something will occur that will swing the girls towards working with Jenna in some way, which allows them to later air out the dirty laundry. Fingers crossed.

EPISODE TEN SOUNDS AMAZING SPARKS ARE GONNA FLYYYYYY.

Sorry it took so long to respond. I had to work for 9 days in a row and all of my shifts were irregular. I also still haven't watched this week's episode, so maybe something more has developed this week that I haven't touched on.

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What TV shows are you watching? Aug 4, 2014 14:42:26 GMT

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Aug 2, 2014 19:41:46 GMT V said:

I guess they haven't just done a normal pace year round instead of super slow followed by a time jump because they want the christmas episode to slot in after the mid-season finale somewhere, like the halloween ones do? even so, the christmas episode could have been done in flashback, in which case, the timeline is still unnecessarily slow/fast. Who knows, but I really don't think the show can work as a movie? VMars worked because it is, and always has been a discourse on intersections of crime, race, class and gender and the corruption of the justice system. It has substance, and thus it worked as a movie. Whilst I'd still say PLL IS a feminist show (4 female leads, plus majority female side characters who talk about more than boyfriends thus passing the bechdel test a billion times over = feminist) it doesn't REALLY discuss those issues as it's main thing. I just can't see how they could sustain a coherent plot with satisfying thematic exploration in 90+ minutes.

Yes, I like the introduction of actual clean cops who can act as parental sort of figures. Major MAJOR props to Holbrook for being the only adult male who is not a pedophile or mixed up in something equally creepy. I also like that Tanner is so authoritative and intimidating - she is also Holbrook's superior - because it puts a woman in control of saving/helping other girls. There isn't going to be a male hero here, just male assistance. Yeah, why was Garrett's motivation for police work 'to protect Spencer' btw? What was the connection? Spencer as a cop is my dream, because she'd be denying her parents in a way. Lawyers, particularly criminal lawyers, are regarded scum by cops because they help out criminals for money. Obviously, those lawyers have to take work, but cops are SO governed by morality that they see the money as secondary. It would escalate the tension between Spencer, who is a total millenial (open, honest, concerned with morality, right and wrong, sees beyond her class etc), and her parents, who are very much of their generation and class (more concerned with money, with their own homes and don't look at the implications of their work beyond the self-centered concerns).

I feel like Alison was also overly sweet and fake in that dinner scene simply because she's totally transformed and has been plunged back into this old life where she's a horrid person and everyone hates her. She's also not had to do the 'go to school go to your friends for dinner make nice conversation have a nice relationship with their parents' thing in so so so so long. she's forgotten what is and isn't standard in these situations, because she's lived on her own, totally anonymous, cut off and without contact with anyone, never mind maternal figures. Pieterse also probably hasn't a clue what's going to happen, absolutely, and she is also the youngest member of the cast (17?) so she may just be learning how to act Alison's emotions in this situation for the first time. At this point, Noel has ceased to exist to me. Like, he was super sketchy but he was meant to be super sketchy and now he's just creepy and mixed up in this stuff with no discernible motive, reason or further plotline??

I don't know much about the relationships in the books, so perhaps Aria and Alison's relationship just didn't translate. I still have a hard time believing it from even the most basic facts: Aria grew up with intelligent but only middle class(ish) parents, reads classic literature and watches classic films, odd fashion sense etc but Alison is pristine dresser, grew up with parents who were never home, upper class, society kind of people who probably only watched classic films or read novels because that was what was being discussed at the monthly book/film club meeting or at the society ball or whatever. Like, HOW are these two friends? Perhaps Aria was captivated by Alison, maybe saw her as a wealthier version of herself?? But I still have no idea what Alison saw in Aria. It's obvious that Emily was chosen because she was easily manipulated, as was Hanna and that (I think anyway) Spencer was her equal in a way, and that they had a deeper and more complicated bond - I get the sense they've been neighbours for the majority of their lives, so they've probably grown up together.

Aria would absolutely just sit in her room and read/watch films/put beads and feathers on clothes if it weren't for Ezra, and, by proxy, the girls and A.

In another world, I'd have them make a point of naming Mona's and Spencer's mental issues (whatever they may be, just specifically acknowledge them) and then treat them as background to the characters. I'd also love if, at some point, we'd get some real acknowledgement of the trauma that A has left the girls with. I want to hear about their paranoia, their trouble sleeping, dealing with the sheer terror they've lived with for like 3 years now. And then see them all getting help and helping eachother and reconstructing their lives post-A. Because recovery from bullying/stalking etc is just as hard as dealing with it when it's happening.

I NEED more Mona backstory. Parrish is more than capable of giving us that. That kind of cruelty just doesn't happen in a vaccum and something definitely has happened beyond being called 'Loser Mona'. That bullying didn't even isolate her - because EVERYONE was bullied?? So she'd still have all of those other victims to understand her and empathise with her.

Melissa is one of those characters everyone hates but I've always admired. The sibling rivalry between the two sisters has been dropped lately and I really like it. The moments where they have this quiet solidarity, where they ALMOST make friends and tell eachother everything are some of the most peaceful moments we get on the show. Their relationship really tells about the pressure on girls to outdo eachother, to compete with eachother, rather than to join together and work together to make the world work for them. Their relationship would actually be pretty harmonious if it weren't for the paternal and other external pressures. I hope that Melissa comes to rail against Peter, because that would, again, be a massive middle finger up to this image of white, upper class, corporate America from compassionate youth who just want to help.

I was so disappointed that those parallels weren't explored. They would have really brought Spencer down a couple of levels because, try as she might to empathise with others, she is still an inherent snob (though this is based more on intelligence, morality and other characteristics than on class and wealth).

Perhaps something will occur that will swing the girls towards working with Jenna in some way, which allows them to later air out the dirty laundry. Fingers crossed.

EPISODE TEN SOUNDS AMAZING SPARKS ARE GONNA FLYYYYYY.

Sorry it took so long to respond. I had to work for 9 days in a row and all of my shifts were irregular. I also still haven't watched this week's episode, so maybe something more has developed this week that I haven't touched on.

That makes sense, I suppose. Apparently the Christmas episode is going to have some flashbacks because they cast someone to play a young Ali and the actress who played Mrs.D was seen filming on the set. That sounds pretty exciting.

I'm not quite sure how they want to pull this off either. The current format works really well for the show and I don't see a need for a movie, even if its premises is not necessarily tied to the main mystery of the show. A movie could potentially boast a bit more freedom for the writers to explore certain things, but would it fit with the general tone of the show?

I really hope that Holbrook doesn't turn out to be some shady pervert or something, because the lack of decent male authority figures on this shows is disturbing. This show has a history of turning seemingly innocent men into creepers and it's appalling. Oh, yes! I like how a woman is in charge of this investigation and I really like her attitude. Being demanding and intimidating at the same time is apparently the only way to get answers in Rosewood. I like how Tanner's going to have a bigger role in the next episode and it correlates with the girls falling apart. Coincidence? I believe not.
Yeah, the whole Garrett thing is really weird. I just looked it up again and before he dies, he tells Spencer, "Honestly, I'm sorry. I liked you. You were the one I really wanted to keep safe, but I wasn't strong enough. I thought I had everything under control, but I didn't. I didn't even really know what the game was about." Maybe this has something to do with NAT club and Melissa? I just assume that it will never be addressed on the show again.

Spencer becoming a cop would be the ultimate f you to her parents. Both of them already set up a plan for her future - studying at UPenn - but then fell into the water. It wouldn't surprise me if they wanted her to become a lawyer as well. Frig, a spin-off with Spencer as a detective while showing the conflicts with her lawyer parents would be super cool.

At times it feel as if Alison tries to overcompensate and tries to lure everyone into her sob story. One minute she's genuinely upset and worried, and the next minute she's back to her scheming self. It's as if they writers try really hard to confuse the viewers about Alison's behaviour, to the point that it becomes easily forgettable that this girl has been on the run from a psychotic killer for more than two years and hasn't done ordinary things in years. Yeah, she's the youngest cast member at the age of 18. Judging from Marlene's tweets it looks as if there *is* a bigger storyline planned for. I hope they are not going down the twin route. Please.
Yeah, well, Noel is going to appear in episode nine and so he does have a bigger role?? Idk, I guess we have to wait and see...as always.

I never read the books, but I checked and it's never explained how both of them met and how they became friends in the first place. Just looking at the most basic things it's evident that both Aria and Alison come from different worlds. Also Aria's flashbacks of Ali only involved Noel Kahn and Byron's affair with Meredith. They funny thing is that Alison encouraged Aria to tell her mum about the affair and advised her to not pick up the phone when Byron called her. Yet, later Alison goes around to blackmail Byron? Yeah, there's more to that story. I can see how Aria might have found Ali fascinating and wanted to hang around with, as she was the most popular girl in school. Maybe Ali liked Aria because she could keep secrets very well? If it weren't for Ezra, then A would have never had a reason to torment Aria because she was never that close to Alison.

I find Alison's relationship with Spencer. They are equals, are leadership material and constantly butted their heads against each other. Ali saw Spencer as a threat and threw the latter constantly under the bus and thought about tossing Spencer away as a friend. But she wasn't completely cold when Spencer was begging her NOT to tell anyone about her pill addiction and I think that was one of the more heart-warming scenes on the show.

Some people even argue that the only reason why Aria is snooping around is because Ezra is now involved in this whole mess. It's not too far-fetched.

I was a bit disappointed that we never saw much of the aftermath after Mona was revealed as A. Yes, we saw them crying at the end of season two but that was it. It would have been interesting to see how the girls coped with everything, especially since they believed that the A drama was over then. We saw them being slightly paranoid at the beginning of season five when they believed that Shana was A but it was never explored any further. Right now I'm just surprised that these girls aren't terrified of this A because they are a lot more violent than Mona and Toby ever were. Heck, they probably killed Garrett, they murdered Mrs. D, they blew up Toby's house and are probably not afraid to add someone else to their death toll. Shouldn't the girls being trembling, locking their windows and doors at night? (THEY NEVER DO!)

They are introducing Mona's mother this season, so that's start I guess. They need to give Janel Parrish bigger storylines because she's a wonderful actress. Right now we are supposed to sympathise with Mona, but I don't understand why. Maybe they will explain Mona's motives once her army strikes again.

From the very beginning Melissa was always written to be a unlikeable character. She was always juxtaposed with Spencer and the narrative wanted you to prefer Spencer. For instance, in the scenes in which Spencer, Melissa and Wren were together it made you question why Wren was with Melissa because he appeared to be this seemingly nice guy and she appeared to be this evil hag. Whenever Spencer interacted with Wren, the writers wanted you to root for her. When Spencer plagiarised Melissa's essay, the viewers weren't supposed to feel sorry for her. Also, whenever something happened to Melissa (i.e. Ian going missing), the writers made her super sketchy so that you don't sympathise with her...just with Jenna. I really do like Melissa, and her relationship with Spencer is probably my favourite sibling relationship on the show. I find most of their scenes to be extremely heart-warming and I'm glad that Melissa is slowly opening towards Spencer. I don't want her to be killed off (why can't it be Toby or Ezra??) but I have this feeling that she will be.

That would have given Spencer a serious reality check because apart from Mona there's no one else in her age group who comes close to her in terms of intellect and intelligence. Both of them are equals in that aspect. Emily isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box, neither is Aria...nor Toby, Hanna is smart but not Spencer-level smart, Lucas seems clever, same goes to that Andrew guy, Alison isn't exactly dumb either, Caleb seems to be this hacking prodigy...yeah they don't exactly hang out with Spencer.

Episode ten, eleven and twelve sounds really interesting. Marlene has revealed that one of the characters will undergo a lie-detector test and I hope it's Alison.

No worries, that's fine! I'm sorry to hear that you had work nine days straight. I'm also looking forward to hear what you think about episode 8.

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What TV shows are you watching? Aug 4, 2014 17:36:24 GMT

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Aug 4, 2014 14:42:26 GMT Jinniy said:

That makes sense, I suppose. Apparently the Christmas episode is going to have some flashbacks because they cast someone to play a young Ali and the actress who played Mrs.D was seen filming on the set. That sounds pretty exciting.

I'm not quite sure how they want to pull this off either. The current format works really well for the show and I don't see a need for a movie, even if its premises is not necessarily tied to the main mystery of the show. A movie could potentially boast a bit more freedom for the writers to explore certain things, but would it fit with the general tone of the show?

I really hope that Holbrook doesn't turn out to be some shady pervert or something, because the lack of decent male authority figures on this shows is disturbing. This show has a history of turning seemingly innocent men into creepers and it's appalling. Oh, yes! I like how a woman is in charge of this investigation and I really like her attitude. Being demanding and intimidating at the same time is apparently the only way to get answers in Rosewood. I like how Tanner's going to have a bigger role in the next episode and it correlates with the girls falling apart. Coincidence? I believe not.
Yeah, the whole Garrett thing is really weird. I just looked it up again and before he dies, he tells Spencer, "Honestly, I'm sorry. I liked you. You were the one I really wanted to keep safe, but I wasn't strong enough. I thought I had everything under control, but I didn't. I didn't even really know what the game was about." Maybe this has something to do with NAT club and Melissa? I just assume that it will never be addressed on the show again.

Spencer becoming a cop would be the ultimate f you to her parents. Both of them already set up a plan for her future - studying at UPenn - but then fell into the water. It wouldn't surprise me if they wanted her to become a lawyer as well. Frig, a spin-off with Spencer as a detective while showing the conflicts with her lawyer parents would be super cool.

At times it feel as if Alison tries to overcompensate and tries to lure everyone into her sob story. One minute she's genuinely upset and worried, and the next minute she's back to her scheming self. It's as if they writers try really hard to confuse the viewers about Alison's behaviour, to the point that it becomes easily forgettable that this girl has been on the run from a psychotic killer for more than two years and hasn't done ordinary things in years. Yeah, she's the youngest cast member at the age of 18. Judging from Marlene's tweets it looks as if there *is* a bigger storyline planned for. I hope they are not going down the twin route. Please.
Yeah, well, Noel is going to appear in episode nine and so he does have a bigger role?? Idk, I guess we have to wait and see...as always.

I never read the books, but I checked and it's never explained how both of them met and how they became friends in the first place. Just looking at the most basic things it's evident that both Aria and Alison come from different worlds. Also Aria's flashbacks of Ali only involved Noel Kahn and Byron's affair with Meredith. They funny thing is that Alison encouraged Aria to tell her mum about the affair and advised her to not pick up the phone when Byron called her. Yet, later Alison goes around to blackmail Byron? Yeah, there's more to that story. I can see how Aria might have found Ali fascinating and wanted to hang around with, as she was the most popular girl in school. Maybe Ali liked Aria because she could keep secrets very well? If it weren't for Ezra, then A would have never had a reason to torment Aria because she was never that close to Alison.

I find Alison's relationship with Spencer. They are equals, are leadership material and constantly butted their heads against each other. Ali saw Spencer as a threat and threw the latter constantly under the bus and thought about tossing Spencer away as a friend. But she wasn't completely cold when Spencer was begging her NOT to tell anyone about her pill addiction and I think that was one of the more heart-warming scenes on the show.

Some people even argue that the only reason why Aria is snooping around is because Ezra is now involved in this whole mess. It's not too far-fetched.

I was a bit disappointed that we never saw much of the aftermath after Mona was revealed as A. Yes, we saw them crying at the end of season two but that was it. It would have been interesting to see how the girls coped with everything, especially since they believed that the A drama was over then. We saw them being slightly paranoid at the beginning of season five when they believed that Shana was A but it was never explored any further. Right now I'm just surprised that these girls aren't terrified of this A because they are a lot more violent than Mona and Toby ever were. Heck, they probably killed Garrett, they murdered Mrs. D, they blew up Toby's house and are probably not afraid to add someone else to their death toll. Shouldn't the girls being trembling, locking their windows and doors at night? (THEY NEVER DO!)

They are introducing Mona's mother this season, so that's start I guess. They need to give Janel Parrish bigger storylines because she's a wonderful actress. Right now we are supposed to sympathise with Mona, but I don't understand why. Maybe they will explain Mona's motives once her army strikes again.

From the very beginning Melissa was always written to be a unlikeable character. She was always juxtaposed with Spencer and the narrative wanted you to prefer Spencer. For instance, in the scenes in which Spencer, Melissa and Wren were together it made you question why Wren was with Melissa because he appeared to be this seemingly nice guy and she appeared to be this evil hag. Whenever Spencer interacted with Wren, the writers wanted you to root for her. When Spencer plagiarised Melissa's essay, the viewers weren't supposed to feel sorry for her. Also, whenever something happened to Melissa (i.e. Ian going missing), the writers made her super sketchy so that you don't sympathise with her...just with Jenna. I really do like Melissa, and her relationship with Spencer is probably my favourite sibling relationship on the show. I find most of their scenes to be extremely heart-warming and I'm glad that Melissa is slowly opening towards Spencer. I don't want her to be killed off (why can't it be Toby or Ezra??) but I have this feeling that she will be.

That would have given Spencer a serious reality check because apart from Mona there's no one else in her age group who comes close to her in terms of intellect and intelligence. Both of them are equals in that aspect. Emily isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box, neither is Aria...nor Toby, Hanna is smart but not Spencer-level smart, Lucas seems clever, same goes to that Andrew guy, Alison isn't exactly dumb either, Caleb seems to be this hacking prodigy...yeah they don't exactly hang out with Spencer.

Episode ten, eleven and twelve sounds really interesting. Marlene has revealed that one of the characters will undergo a lie-detector test and I hope it's Alison.

No worries, that's fine! I'm sorry to hear that you had work nine days straight. I'm also looking forward to hear what you think about episode 8.

I'm surprised they even need a young Ali to be cast. Pieterse is still a baby by comparison to the others. I hope this looking into the Dilaurentis past doesn't mean we're getting the twin theory thing. Because it is absolutely ludicrous (expanding later in this post)! Although I do want a deeper understanding of the family, because the relationships between them all are weird as kiwi.

A movie would be really weird. It would also be potentially quite inaccessible for international viewers. I don't even think PLL is aired on ANY TV network in the UK, apart from like season 1 and 2 on MTV, perhaps. So a movie is unlikely to enter any major cinema whatsoever. It would have to be a TV movie to be available for me.

So far it doesn't look like their going to take Holbrook down a shady route, though I think there is potential for the girls to misconstrue his actions? Like literally everyone around them is a perv, so they'll probably be like 'stranger man in town asking questions? he's hot? and 30? must be a perv'. Although, is any man safe from Rosewood's inexplicable ability to transform men into absolute creepers - what the kiwi happened with Ella's partner?? Where did that come from? He'd not shown any actual inclination towards teenage girls before. I am totally team Tanner at this point. Like you can tell that she knows.

To this day, do we actually know what the NAT club was? Was it just the We Hate Alison club or what?

I genuinely don't recall if we've been told what this was or if it was just dropped, because it's clear it's not gonna come up again, unless there's a link to it in Alison's storyline that's coming up.

I WOULD SO BE ALL OVER A SPIN OFF WHERE SPENCER'S A COP but not like a cop looking for promotion but a cop that's like NAH FORGET THE BUREAUCRACY THE TRUTH AND THE LAW IS WHAT MATTERS and all that. We should so be hired by the writers to do this, how amazing would this actually be? 5 years down the line and Spencer reflects on her murky past in Rosewood and struggles with it while dealing with really ugly cases?? On that note, Toby the cop?? Not what I expected. I actually liked him as a carpenter, because they cast it in quite a tender light, and turned that job into quite a creative, emotional but also feminine outlet. Like when her made Spencer the rocking chair? The two of them are a total reversal of gender roles and I think making him a cop is gonna flop, because he's doing it to be corrupt ('I can look in files and evidence and stuff' THAT'S WHAT WILDEN AND CO WOULD DO, do things for their friends and not for the law) and for emotional reasons (his house, his sister - because he does love Jenna, don't tell me otherwise - and his girlfriend) and also because it upsets the total subversion of gender roles that their relationship embodied.

I wish the writers would give up on confusing viewers and actually just study what Alison is going through. That confusion amongst other characters, and thus the audience should be occurring ANYWAY, regardless of the way the character is acting. Because you take someone like that out of your life, all mysterious, you come to terms with the fact that she was horrible and that you're going to be a better version of yourself and then she comes back? Of course the characters would be confused and so would your audience. It shouldn't be so put on and over the top as it is, because we have NEVER actually known Alison before now. Seeing her outwith flashbacks should seem really ambiguous and surreal for us, because she's never existed as a person with agency before now - she's always existed as a memory for the girls, and an emblem of a nasty time in their lives.

Yes, I'm BEGGING them not to go down that route. There have been a few hints, and the fact that this Sarah girl (is that what her name is? the one in the grave) is so physically similar to Alison, that Mrs D was hanging out with her and spending so much money on her are MASSIVE ones. But even if they did do it, when they dug up the body, wouldn't it be decayed enough that it would be unrecognisable? When you consider it's been down there a year, Pennsylvania is notoriously wet and horrible (despite the eternal summer the show seems to have?) and the soil is probably quite acidic (lots of forests nearby, which means there are all sorts of beasties in the soil to degrade the body, i think) it probably would be pretty decayed in terms of flesh and skin (bones would still be intact). Are we meant to believe that the police department just ASSUMED it was Alison? They usually get body identification through dental records, so even if they were twins and thus their DNA matched, the SURELY still wouldn't have identical teeth. I will LOSE IT if they go down the twin route. I'm having a hard time adjusting to the idea that they just went 'oh a body? must be Alison's' when it wasn't.

There MUST have been something more going on between Alison and Aria's family. Like, aside from threatening to blab on Byron regarding the affair. Had Alison actually told, Aria's family may have been in a far better place which just doesn't make sense given Alison's penchant for seeing her friends and others emotionally destroyed and manipulated. I think Aria could have been more interesting if her fascination with Ali had been in the same way as Ezra? Like there IS something about Ali that draws people in - so wouldn't it be interesting if for Aria it was because she was just interesting? Rather than the usual desire for notoriety and money or whatever else.

I always felt that Alison did really respect and love Spencer, and that she just had a weird way of showing it (let's face it, she's probably not had the most loving upbringing). Like there's a flashback where Spencer and Emily(?) are at Spencer's house, and Alison just comes in the back door and asks to hang out, obviously upset but not wanting to talk. That Spencer is the first person she goes to is really interesting, and I'm not sure if it's because they're equals or if it's because Spencer is who she hasn't had to manipulate and so is who she can be honest with? I really don't know, but that tet-a-tet in the noir episode last season was intense and showed the real power struggle that will ensue between them in the next season or so.

Honestly, I think Aria is the blandest of the lot of them. She sure got over murdering someone really fast too.

I honestly don't know how they aren't more freaked out. Like, yeah, Mona WAS pretty violent (hit Hanna with a car, Spencer and Ian in the bell tower, Ian's "suicide", kidnapping Spencer etc) but this is so much worse. How does Mrs Marin still not lock her doors?!?! (Answer: she's probably had wine) They still sleep with their windows open (maybe it's all that unseasonably warm weather they have in the middle of winter in Pennsylvania??). They still hang out in locations where they aren't in control?? "I know let's go to this abandoned x and then the abandoned y where A can easily murder us all and make it look like an accident" WHAT A GRAND IDEA.

The introduction of Mona's mother seems intriguing and promising then. Perhaps the writers are realising that the tension between Alison and Mona just isn't there, because the only one we can sympathise with is Alison. I am dying to see Mona become worth sympathy, because it means we'll be equally conflicted over both characters, and will probably ultimately give up on them both to side with the 4 liars.

I wish they had never written Melissa to be unlikeable, but it was necessary to get the audience to like Spencer though (because the one that "lures" the boyfriends wouldn't NORMALLY be the liked character - though Bellisario totally nails the complex issue of consent in that one video where she takes down that sexist dude). I really REALLY hope they don't kill her off, because there's still SO much to talk about there. Ezra should have been killed off OR his character completely decimated with the uncovering of his book without the pansy recovery of the character last season, but that clearly won't happen - he and Aria are meant to be endgame, and apparently he's a fan favourite (why??). I'd be sad for Spencer if Toby died, but I also think it could be necessary. She's nearly lost him before and it killed her, so losing him twice could make her finally take decisive action about A. It would be even more tragic if whoever died, died because of natural causes or just fate - someone runs a stop sign and plows into a character, someone just falls really ill. I think it would be very poignant for the girls to realise that death exists independent of A too. I think Paige should be the one to go this season (that they went to the bother of bringing Caleb back, and that he's already been shot, tells me that won't happen) mostly because I do have some major issues with her character (I'll show you I have a crush by drowning you??) but I don't think that will happen either - Emily's already lost Maya (who was totally forgotten about btw) and they'd be reluctant to kill off another LGBT character (ps, wouldn't it be great to establish a character, maybe one of the girls, as being bi or something??). With that in mind, it MUST be a family member (chances are it's not Ashley or Pam as they are/or basically are single parents and aren't as involved with this stuff as the Hastings' and Dilaurentis')

In terms of intelligence, cunning, determination and stubbornness Spencer can only be matched by Mona. Alison just doesn't have the same book and strategy smarts that either of them have. Hanna is more street and culture smart. Emily never strikes me as being much of anything, except perhaps grounded and compassionate. Aria's an absolute moron and makes up for it with classic literature and film. Toby's a high school drop out (i think?) as is Caleb (basically) so we know they aren't particularly bright academically (though Caleb has computer skills better than Spencer's - how? he's lived on the streets for most of his life? he learned that stuff to make cash and survive but where did he get the initial startup to get the technology or the lessons??). Andrew is conventional college smart. I think Lucas is the one with the most potential for intelligence, but he's too lacking in confidence to compete with the girls (who, like between Spencer and Melissa, compete for things because they think only they can succeed in life, that there's only one spot for an intelligent woman). I would love to see, on that note, Spencer and Caleb hang out more and share their detective-worthy intelligence. And while we're there, let all the boyfriends hang out with the other girls without jealousy. They all need to work together to take down A anyway, why not be friends while they're at it?

If Alison undergoes a lie detector then they've all had it. The truth will definitely be out then.

I enjoyed the episode but I was also sort of horrified by the coffee guy/Ella's partner coming on to Hanna. Why was that necessary to the plot, other than to send Hanna into a self-destruct spiral?? It could have been done in another way, and should have been better handled. The girls should have believed her straight away, and Aria had NO right to flip out like that.

Clearly, we should just write the show instead. We have a far better handle on the characters and the themes anyway.

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Aug 4, 2014 17:36:24 GMT V said:

I'm surprised they even need a young Ali to be cast. Pieterse is still a baby by comparison to the others. I hope this looking into the Dilaurentis past doesn't mean we're getting the twin theory thing. Because it is absolutely ludicrous (expanding later in this post)! Although I do want a deeper understanding of the family, because the relationships between them all are weird as kiwi.

A movie would be really weird. It would also be potentially quite inaccessible for international viewers. I don't even think PLL is aired on ANY TV network in the UK, apart from like season 1 and 2 on MTV, perhaps. So a movie is unlikely to enter any major cinema whatsoever. It would have to be a TV movie to be available for me.

So far it doesn't look like their going to take Holbrook down a shady route, though I think there is potential for the girls to misconstrue his actions? Like literally everyone around them is a perv, so they'll probably be like 'stranger man in town asking questions? he's hot? and 30? must be a perv'. Although, is any man safe from Rosewood's inexplicable ability to transform men into absolute creepers - what the kiwi happened with Ella's partner?? Where did that come from? He'd not shown any actual inclination towards teenage girls before. I am totally team Tanner at this point. Like you can tell that she knows.

To this day, do we actually know what the NAT club was? Was it just the We Hate Alison club or what?

I genuinely don't recall if we've been told what this was or if it was just dropped, because it's clear it's not gonna come up again, unless there's a link to it in Alison's storyline that's coming up.

I WOULD SO BE ALL OVER A SPIN OFF WHERE SPENCER'S A COP but not like a cop looking for promotion but a cop that's like NAH FORGET THE BUREAUCRACY THE TRUTH AND THE LAW IS WHAT MATTERS and all that. We should so be hired by the writers to do this, how amazing would this actually be? 5 years down the line and Spencer reflects on her murky past in Rosewood and struggles with it while dealing with really ugly cases?? On that note, Toby the cop?? Not what I expected. I actually liked him as a carpenter, because they cast it in quite a tender light, and turned that job into quite a creative, emotional but also feminine outlet. Like when her made Spencer the rocking chair? The two of them are a total reversal of gender roles and I think making him a cop is gonna flop, because he's doing it to be corrupt ('I can look in files and evidence and stuff' THAT'S WHAT WILDEN AND CO WOULD DO, do things for their friends and not for the law) and for emotional reasons (his house, his sister - because he does love Jenna, don't tell me otherwise - and his girlfriend) and also because it upsets the total subversion of gender roles that their relationship embodied.

I wish the writers would give up on confusing viewers and actually just study what Alison is going through. That confusion amongst other characters, and thus the audience should be occurring ANYWAY, regardless of the way the character is acting. Because you take someone like that out of your life, all mysterious, you come to terms with the fact that she was horrible and that you're going to be a better version of yourself and then she comes back? Of course the characters would be confused and so would your audience. It shouldn't be so put on and over the top as it is, because we have NEVER actually known Alison before now. Seeing her outwith flashbacks should seem really ambiguous and surreal for us, because she's never existed as a person with agency before now - she's always existed as a memory for the girls, and an emblem of a nasty time in their lives.

Yes, I'm BEGGING them not to go down that route. There have been a few hints, and the fact that this Sarah girl (is that what her name is? the one in the grave) is so physically similar to Alison, that Mrs D was hanging out with her and spending so much money on her are MASSIVE ones. But even if they did do it, when they dug up the body, wouldn't it be decayed enough that it would be unrecognisable? When you consider it's been down there a year, Pennsylvania is notoriously wet and horrible (despite the eternal summer the show seems to have?) and the soil is probably quite acidic (lots of forests nearby, which means there are all sorts of beasties in the soil to degrade the body, i think) it probably would be pretty decayed in terms of flesh and skin (bones would still be intact). Are we meant to believe that the police department just ASSUMED it was Alison? They usually get body identification through dental records, so even if they were twins and thus their DNA matched, the SURELY still wouldn't have identical teeth. I will LOSE IT if they go down the twin route. I'm having a hard time adjusting to the idea that they just went 'oh a body? must be Alison's' when it wasn't.

There MUST have been something more going on between Alison and Aria's family. Like, aside from threatening to blab on Byron regarding the affair. Had Alison actually told, Aria's family may have been in a far better place which just doesn't make sense given Alison's penchant for seeing her friends and others emotionally destroyed and manipulated. I think Aria could have been more interesting if her fascination with Ali had been in the same way as Ezra? Like there IS something about Ali that draws people in - so wouldn't it be interesting if for Aria it was because she was just interesting? Rather than the usual desire for notoriety and money or whatever else.

I always felt that Alison did really respect and love Spencer, and that she just had a weird way of showing it (let's face it, she's probably not had the most loving upbringing). Like there's a flashback where Spencer and Emily(?) are at Spencer's house, and Alison just comes in the back door and asks to hang out, obviously upset but not wanting to talk. That Spencer is the first person she goes to is really interesting, and I'm not sure if it's because they're equals or if it's because Spencer is who she hasn't had to manipulate and so is who she can be honest with? I really don't know, but that tet-a-tet in the noir episode last season was intense and showed the real power struggle that will ensue between them in the next season or so.

Honestly, I think Aria is the blandest of the lot of them. She sure got over murdering someone really fast too.

I honestly don't know how they aren't more freaked out. Like, yeah, Mona WAS pretty violent (hit Hanna with a car, Spencer and Ian in the bell tower, Ian's "suicide", kidnapping Spencer etc) but this is so much worse. How does Mrs Marin still not lock her doors?!?! (Answer: she's probably had wine) They still sleep with their windows open (maybe it's all that unseasonably warm weather they have in the middle of winter in Pennsylvania??). They still hang out in locations where they aren't in control?? "I know let's go to this abandoned x and then the abandoned y where A can easily murder us all and make it look like an accident" WHAT A GRAND IDEA.

The introduction of Mona's mother seems intriguing and promising then. Perhaps the writers are realising that the tension between Alison and Mona just isn't there, because the only one we can sympathise with is Alison. I am dying to see Mona become worth sympathy, because it means we'll be equally conflicted over both characters, and will probably ultimately give up on them both to side with the 4 liars.

I wish they had never written Melissa to be unlikeable, but it was necessary to get the audience to like Spencer though (because the one that "lures" the boyfriends wouldn't NORMALLY be the liked character - though Bellisario totally nails the complex issue of consent in that one video where she takes down that sexist dude). I really REALLY hope they don't kill her off, because there's still SO much to talk about there. Ezra should have been killed off OR his character completely decimated with the uncovering of his book without the pansy recovery of the character last season, but that clearly won't happen - he and Aria are meant to be endgame, and apparently he's a fan favourite (why??). I'd be sad for Spencer if Toby died, but I also think it could be necessary. She's nearly lost him before and it killed her, so losing him twice could make her finally take decisive action about A. It would be even more tragic if whoever died, died because of natural causes or just fate - someone runs a stop sign and plows into a character, someone just falls really ill. I think it would be very poignant for the girls to realise that death exists independent of A too. I think Paige should be the one to go this season (that they went to the bother of bringing Caleb back, and that he's already been shot, tells me that won't happen) mostly because I do have some major issues with her character (I'll show you I have a crush by drowning you??) but I don't think that will happen either - Emily's already lost Maya (who was totally forgotten about btw) and they'd be reluctant to kill off another LGBT character (ps, wouldn't it be great to establish a character, maybe one of the girls, as being bi or something??). With that in mind, it MUST be a family member (chances are it's not Ashley or Pam as they are/or basically are single parents and aren't as involved with this stuff as the Hastings' and Dilaurentis')

In terms of intelligence, cunning, determination and stubbornness Spencer can only be matched by Mona. Alison just doesn't have the same book and strategy smarts that either of them have. Hanna is more street and culture smart. Emily never strikes me as being much of anything, except perhaps grounded and compassionate. Aria's an absolute moron and makes up for it with classic literature and film. Toby's a high school drop out (i think?) as is Caleb (basically) so we know they aren't particularly bright academically (though Caleb has computer skills better than Spencer's - how? he's lived on the streets for most of his life? he learned that stuff to make cash and survive but where did he get the initial startup to get the technology or the lessons??). Andrew is conventional college smart. I think Lucas is the one with the most potential for intelligence, but he's too lacking in confidence to compete with the girls (who, like between Spencer and Melissa, compete for things because they think only they can succeed in life, that there's only one spot for an intelligent woman). I would love to see, on that note, Spencer and Caleb hang out more and share their detective-worthy intelligence. And while we're there, let all the boyfriends hang out with the other girls without jealousy. They all need to work together to take down A anyway, why not be friends while they're at it?

If Alison undergoes a lie detector then they've all had it. The truth will definitely be out then.

I enjoyed the episode but I was also sort of horrified by the coffee guy/Ella's partner coming on to Hanna. Why was that necessary to the plot, other than to send Hanna into a self-destruct spiral?? It could have been done in another way, and should have been better handled. The girls should have believed her straight away, and Aria had NO right to flip out like that.

Clearly, we should just write the show instead. We have a far better handle on the characters and the themes anyway.

My bad. I just checked and they cast Isabella Rice to play a "Little Alison", so we're getting a child Ali in the flashbacks. Yeah, I hope it's a opportunity to explore the DiLaurentis family or at least the relationship between Alison and her mother. In an ideal world I'd love the writers to discuss the dynamics of the whole family because they are so mysterious. Why did Mrs. D have an affair with Peter in the first place? Why is Mr. D gone all the time?

I guess that a TV movie wouldn't be enough for Marlene's huge ego because that would essentially just be a two-part episode. Now that you mention it, this whole movie is very problematic. Where I live they are currently airing season two and I know that many places outside the US and Canada haven't caught up yet. A movie would be extremely inconvenient for many fans out there and they can't keep the main girls under contract forever.

That could happen, but so far it's only Hanna and Spencer who seem to have this creep-radar because everyone else seems to be completely clueless. *cough* Aria *cough* I have no idea how Zack turned into this creep out of nowhere!? Even from the little we've seen of him it seemed very out of character for him. Fudge, Ella even questioned his sincerity because he could have easily gone after women who are younger than her. Zack also must be a special kind of stupid to go after the best friend of his soon-to-be stepdaughter. He needs to get his strawberry together because he's the one who proposed to Ella. NO ONE FORCED HIM TO DO SO

Team Tanner for the win! I love how she pokes holes into the girls' lies and she's just plain awesome: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSlYw6FRNk

Not really. The only thing we know is that Jason founded it, but left after things got out of hand. Oh and they were filming the girls, Jenna and Toby and possibly other women. I think the last time it was brought up was last season when Spencer confronted Melissa while she was throwing away those masks. I hope there's more to the NAT club than the group of perverts filming young girls, because two members are dead and I refuse to believe that there isn't any sort of connection to the whole mystery.

Totally and Mona definitely needs to be Spencer's partner! That would be the cherry on the top! Mona can be bad cop, while Spencer's good cop or the other way around works too. Just imagine them interrogating people asdfghjkl...
I'm actually disappointed that Toby is going to become a cop now. Out of the two, I definitely think that Spencer has it what it takes to be a great cop. She's perceptive, intelligent, brave, athletic and has years of experience of being harassed and investigating a (murder) mystery. I'm not saying that Spencer should drop out of school and join the police academy, but she's more cop material than Toby probably will ever be. Toby becoming a cop just makes as much sense as Ezra becoming a dance instructor. Also let's not forget that Toby was part of the A team and he found out nothing while working with both Mona and Red Coat. There are already pictures of Toby in a police uniform and it bothers me how unrealistic this storyline is. Completing the police academy takes at least two years and why would the Rosewood police department hire him in the first place, especially with juvie mucking up his files? And due all respect to Keegan Allen, I just don't think that he has the skills to pull off this storyline. Dramatic scenes aren't his best.

Exactly! There's no need to stress the confusion because all of Rosewood is confused and completely clueless by her mere return and presence. One scene we see Alison sitting at the window sill being terrified and the next thing she does is to hire Noel to scare the living daylights out of Ashley. What the actual fudge. I get that they want the audience to sympathise with Ali while making her sketchy, scheming and mysterious at the same time, but they are doing a terrible job at that. After the incident at the Marin house I'm genuinely convinced that Alison is a bit touched in the head. (wanted to avoid the word sociopath)

Her name's actually Bethany Young. Sarah Harvey is another girl who went missing around the same time. The fact that they haven't showed Bethany's face yet is terribly unsettling while they showed us Sarah's face - an unimportant character. There's this picture Marlene posted a while ago and it screams TWIN to me: instagram.com/p/qV1sLIlHkD
The whole thing is completely odd and unrealistic. They called Mrs. D to identify the body. As you said it was decayed by then and Mrs. D recognized the yellow top that Ali was wearing the night she disappeared. That's not enough evidence to support the identification of a body. I'm sure they must have performed some DNA tests, so maybe some tampered with the results? (Wasn't there something about Ali's dental x-rays back in the season one?) That's the only way I can explain the whole thing and it sounds terribly far-fetched. The whole twin thing is pretty lame and a non-shocker.

Yeah, I mean Alison encouraged Aria to thrash Byron's office and planted Meredith's earring on that couch. Why would she do that? Because of the thrill of it? Byron was also there at the night Alison disappeared and it's been completely left out when Alison told her side of the story.
That could be possible too. Aria isn't that shallow, I think.

I remember that scene and I think it could be possible that she sought Spencer because they are next door neighbours. One of Jason's friends harassed her and Spencer's living next door. There's another flashback where Alison has a cut in her face, I think, and she seeks Spencer for help again but it's Veronica who she ran into that time. It could be equally possible that she might have been looking for Spencer for the reasons you mentioned. There was no need to toy Spencer, because you simply can't.
Well, a lot of things that happened in the noir episode seem to become reality, such as Toby becoming a cop. I'm sure that this conflict is inevitable, though. Ali was the leader before she disappeared, then the girls matured and Spencer stepped into the 'leader' role. I think Spencer's more of the big sister who takes care of everyone and acts at the best interest of everyone involved because she genuinely cares. I think their heads will butt this season.

Aria is a constant contender at the spot for my least favourite liar along with Emily. Heck, Emily's at least compassionate, cares about the people she loves and actively tries to help to solve this case. Aria's just there and her presence is defined through a man and I don't think that's okay.

We actually don't know who killed Ian, but yes Mona was pretty violent but this A is on a whole new level of aggression and vendetta. None of the parents know that A is back but they are left to believe that there is this psychotic kidnapped out there, so wouldn't they be a bit more protective over their daughters? And the girls can be incredibly daft at times it's not even funny any more. Talking about top secret things at the toilet while NOT making sure that there's no one in the stables only for swimmy to come out not flushing the toilet and touching Ali's scarf...not sketchy at all. Also, why don't they carry some sort of weapon with them? It doesn't have to be a gun. What about a knife? Taser? Pepper spray? Aria's at least a ninja so she can protect herself now!! But what about the other girls??

Agreed and thanks for sharing that video! It was an interesting watch. Troian Bellisario seems to be a classy and intelligent lady. Major props for taking down that guy!

Well, Melissa is going to reveal her secret or at least what she saw in the night that Alison disappeared to Spencer in episode 11. The fandom assumes that she's going to be the "major character who is getting killed off this season" because A has a history of killing anyone who reveals their secret. If she's the character who doesn't make it this season, then I hope that ALL her secrets are lifted by then because we don't need yet another character who takes all their secrets to the grave.

Yes, Ezra is a fan favourite and so is "Ezria". I believe that they wanted to make Ezra A in season four but changed their minds because of the fans. I would go as far as to say that they did the same thing with Toby because they didn't want to ruin that precious ship. Ezra had all this surveillance equipment and stalked the girls because of a book?! Yeah, sure.
I think the love interests are safe so it's definitely a family member. They killed off Mrs. D but the audience wasn't invested in her as, let's say, Ashley Marin. A killing someone from the Hastings or from the DiLaurentis family makes sense because both families are in the midst of this whole drama. My money's on either Melissa or Peter. Ali's dad wouldn't be too much of a shocker while Jason probably could be.

Caleb dropping out of high school might have something to do with his downward spiral. Toby dropping out made sense, but Caleb? Pre-Ravenswood Caleb was actually a sensible person and I'm sure that he would have graduated from high school at least. I think that Caleb's computer skills will probably never will be explained, but it could be possible that he taught himself those things. He was a lonely child and probably had a lot of free time or just met the right people. I'd also love to see him interact more with Spencer because they make a great team together.
Definitely! I liked that scene in the 100th episode were everyone and their love interests were sitting in Emily's living room watching the news, because that's the first time we saw them all together in one room. Should it surprise us that Aria has never interacted with Toby AT ALL?

From the looks of it the writers try to drive Hanna as far as possible away from the girls. We were supposed to sympathise with Hanna because she was basically assaulted and the girls victim-blamed her. The writers really want us to root for Hanna but along that they threw Zack and the girls under the bus. The way the girls reacted was out of character, especially Spencer. We are talking about the same people who accuse everyone and their grandmother of being A or Ali's murderer due to some laughable hint pointing at that direction BUT when Hanna, the most HONEST and the more trust-worthy FRIEND out of the liars, comes to them and tells them that Ella's fiance was touching her, they are quick to dismiss her story by exclaiming that she was drunk and probably just imagined that. I expected Spencer to show some empathy because 1) she suffered from an addiction not too long ago and 2) she knows how it feels when no one else believes you. I wouldn't be even mad if Hanna ditched the girls and that just shows how successful the writers were, even if it was a case of bad writing.

I found Aria's behaviour unacceptable. If she woman-upped, she would have gone to the police and told them what happened to Shana irrespective of Ali's BS. For God's sake, it was self defence, so she would have never been in that place where she is right now. It's not as if A didn't know that the girls were in New York to begin with. If there's someone she should have yelled at then it's Ali and not Hanna. She didn't even listen to Hanna's story and had the nerve to put the tramp stamp on her. Hanna totally not did come to her because out of the goodness of her heart and because she respect Ella, no, nope. Also she had the bleedin' nerve to put the tramp stamp on Hanna. Really? After sleeping with her teacher and eloping with a guy she knew for a day? (Not saying that Aria is a tramp or anything.)

The writers seem to come up with all the stuff along the way and seem to mold their existing characters to fit the story - not the other way around. That's bad writing and they definitely need to hire us.

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Aug 4, 2014 21:38:52 GMT Jinniy said:

My bad. I just checked and they cast Isabella Rice to play a "Little Alison", so we're getting a child Ali in the flashbacks. Yeah, I hope it's a opportunity to explore the DiLaurentis family or at least the relationship between Alison and her mother. In an ideal world I'd love the writers to discuss the dynamics of the whole family because they are so mysterious. Why did Mrs. D have an affair with Peter in the first place? Why is Mr. D gone all the time?

I guess that a TV movie wouldn't be enough for Marlene's huge ego because that would essentially just be a two-part episode. Now that you mention it, this whole movie is very problematic. Where I live they are currently airing season two and I know that many places outside the US and Canada haven't caught up yet. A movie would be extremely inconvenient for many fans out there and they can't keep the main girls under contract forever.

That could happen, but so far it's only Hanna and Spencer who seem to have this creep-radar because everyone else seems to be completely clueless. *cough* Aria *cough* I have no idea how Zack turned into this creep out of nowhere!? Even from the little we've seen of him it seemed very out of character for him. Fudge, Ella even questioned his sincerity because he could have easily gone after women who are younger than her. Zack also must be a special kind of stupid to go after the best friend of his soon-to-be stepdaughter. He needs to get his strawberry together because he's the one who proposed to Ella. NO ONE FORCED HIM TO DO SO

Team Tanner for the win! I love how she pokes holes into the girls' lies and she's just plain awesome: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSlYw6FRNk

Not really. The only thing we know is that Jason founded it, but left after things got out of hand. Oh and they were filming the girls, Jenna and Toby and possibly other women. I think the last time it was brought up was last season when Spencer confronted Melissa while she was throwing away those masks. I hope there's more to the NAT club than the group of perverts filming young girls, because two members are dead and I refuse to believe that there isn't any sort of connection to the whole mystery.

Totally and Mona definitely needs to be Spencer's partner! That would be the cherry on the top! Mona can be bad cop, while Spencer's good cop or the other way around works too. Just imagine them interrogating people asdfghjkl...
I'm actually disappointed that Toby is going to become a cop now. Out of the two, I definitely think that Spencer has it what it takes to be a great cop. She's perceptive, intelligent, brave, athletic and has years of experience of being harassed and investigating a (murder) mystery. I'm not saying that Spencer should drop out of school and join the police academy, but she's more cop material than Toby probably will ever be. Toby becoming a cop just makes as much sense as Ezra becoming a dance instructor. Also let's not forget that Toby was part of the A team and he found out nothing while working with both Mona and Red Coat. There are already pictures of Toby in a police uniform and it bothers me how unrealistic this storyline is. Completing the police academy takes at least two years and why would the Rosewood police department hire him in the first place, especially with juvie mucking up his files? And due all respect to Keegan Allen, I just don't think that he has the skills to pull off this storyline. Dramatic scenes aren't his best.

Exactly! There's no need to stress the confusion because all of Rosewood is confused and completely clueless by her mere return and presence. One scene we see Alison sitting at the window sill being terrified and the next thing she does is to hire Noel to scare the living daylights out of Ashley. What the actual fudge. I get that they want the audience to sympathise with Ali while making her sketchy, scheming and mysterious at the same time, but they are doing a terrible job at that. After the incident at the Marin house I'm genuinely convinced that Alison is a bit touched in the head. (wanted to avoid the word sociopath)

Her name's actually Bethany Young. Sarah Harvey is another girl who went missing around the same time. The fact that they haven't showed Bethany's face yet is terribly unsettling while they showed us Sarah's face - an unimportant character. There's this picture Marlene posted a while ago and it screams TWIN to me: instagram.com/p/qV1sLIlHkD
The whole thing is completely odd and unrealistic. They called Mrs. D to identify the body. As you said it was decayed by then and Mrs. D recognized the yellow top that Ali was wearing the night she disappeared. That's not enough evidence to support the identification of a body. I'm sure they must have performed some DNA tests, so maybe some tampered with the results? (Wasn't there something about Ali's dental x-rays back in the season one?) That's the only way I can explain the whole thing and it sounds terribly far-fetched. The whole twin thing is pretty lame and a non-shocker.

Yeah, I mean Alison encouraged Aria to thrash Byron's office and planted Meredith's earring on that couch. Why would she do that? Because of the thrill of it? Byron was also there at the night Alison disappeared and it's been completely left out when Alison told her side of the story.
That could be possible too. Aria isn't that shallow, I think.

I remember that scene and I think it could be possible that she sought Spencer because they are next door neighbours. One of Jason's friends harassed her and Spencer's living next door. There's another flashback where Alison has a cut in her face, I think, and she seeks Spencer for help again but it's Veronica who she ran into that time. It could be equally possible that she might have been looking for Spencer for the reasons you mentioned. There was no need to toy Spencer, because you simply can't.
Well, a lot of things that happened in the noir episode seem to become reality, such as Toby becoming a cop. I'm sure that this conflict is inevitable, though. Ali was the leader before she disappeared, then the girls matured and Spencer stepped into the 'leader' role. I think Spencer's more of the big sister who takes care of everyone and acts at the best interest of everyone involved because she genuinely cares. I think their heads will butt this season.

Aria is a constant contender at the spot for my least favourite liar along with Emily. Heck, Emily's at least compassionate, cares about the people she loves and actively tries to help to solve this case. Aria's just there and her presence is defined through a man and I don't think that's okay.

We actually don't know who killed Ian, but yes Mona was pretty violent but this A is on a whole new level of aggression and vendetta. None of the parents know that A is back but they are left to believe that there is this psychotic kidnapped out there, so wouldn't they be a bit more protective over their daughters? And the girls can be incredibly daft at times it's not even funny any more. Talking about top secret things at the toilet while NOT making sure that there's no one in the stables only for swimmy to come out not flushing the toilet and touching Ali's scarf...not sketchy at all. Also, why don't they carry some sort of weapon with them? It doesn't have to be a gun. What about a knife? Taser? Pepper spray? Aria's at least a ninja so she can protect herself now!! But what about the other girls??

Agreed and thanks for sharing that video! It was an interesting watch. Troian Bellisario seems to be a classy and intelligent lady. Major props for taking down that guy!

Well, Melissa is going to reveal her secret or at least what she saw in the night that Alison disappeared to Spencer in episode 11. The fandom assumes that she's going to be the "major character who is getting killed off this season" because A has a history of killing anyone who reveals their secret. If she's the character who doesn't make it this season, then I hope that ALL her secrets are lifted by then because we don't need yet another character who takes all their secrets to the grave.

Yes, Ezra is a fan favourite and so is "Ezria". I believe that they wanted to make Ezra A in season four but changed their minds because of the fans. I would go as far as to say that they did the same thing with Toby because they didn't want to ruin that precious ship. Ezra had all this surveillance equipment and stalked the girls because of a book?! Yeah, sure.
I think the love interests are safe so it's definitely a family member. They killed off Mrs. D but the audience wasn't invested in her as, let's say, Ashley Marin. A killing someone from the Hastings or from the DiLaurentis family makes sense because both families are in the midst of this whole drama. My money's on either Melissa or Peter. Ali's dad wouldn't be too much of a shocker while Jason probably could be.

Caleb dropping out of high school might have something to do with his downward spiral. Toby dropping out made sense, but Caleb? Pre-Ravenswood Caleb was actually a sensible person and I'm sure that he would have graduated from high school at least. I think that Caleb's computer skills will probably never will be explained, but it could be possible that he taught himself those things. He was a lonely child and probably had a lot of free time or just met the right people. I'd also love to see him interact more with Spencer because they make a great team together.
Definitely! I liked that scene in the 100th episode were everyone and their love interests were sitting in Emily's living room watching the news, because that's the first time we saw them all together in one room. Should it surprise us that Aria has never interacted with Toby AT ALL?

From the looks of it the writers try to drive Hanna as far as possible away from the girls. We were supposed to sympathise with Hanna because she was basically assaulted and the girls victim-blamed her. The writers really want us to root for Hanna but along that they threw Zack and the girls under the bus. The way the girls reacted was out of character, especially Spencer. We are talking about the same people who accuse everyone and their grandmother of being A or Ali's murderer due to some laughable hint pointing at that direction BUT when Hanna, the most HONEST and the more trust-worthy FRIEND out of the liars, comes to them and tells them that Ella's fiance was touching her, they are quick to dismiss her story by exclaiming that she was drunk and probably just imagined that. I expected Spencer to show some empathy because 1) she suffered from an addiction not too long ago and 2) she knows how it feels when no one else believes you. I wouldn't be even mad if Hanna ditched the girls and that just shows how successful the writers were, even if it was a case of bad writing.

I found Aria's behaviour unacceptable. If she woman-upped, she would have gone to the police and told them what happened to Shana irrespective of Ali's BS. For God's sake, it was self defence, so she would have never been in that place where she is right now. It's not as if A didn't know that the girls were in New York to begin with. If there's someone she should have yelled at then it's Ali and not Hanna. She didn't even listen to Hanna's story and had the nerve to put the tramp stamp on her. Hanna totally not did come to her because out of the goodness of her heart and because she respect Ella, no, nope. Also she had the bleedin' nerve to put the tramp stamp on Hanna. Really? After sleeping with her teacher and eloping with a guy she knew for a day? (Not saying that Aria is a tramp or anything.)

The writers seem to come up with all the stuff along the way and seem to mold their existing characters to fit the story - not the other way around. That's bad writing and they definitely need to hire us.

Heads up that I've seen last nights episode, so watch that before reading this so I don't spoil it!

Oh, I see!! Well that's equal parts exciting and concerning. The past times we've had nods to Ali's childhood (mainly The First Secret, with the allusion to twins) it's been concerning the idea of twins. I'm not sure if that's a direct hint, or if the writers are just paying homage to the books? On the other hand, I think we really need to see more of Alison's home life because right now she's hard to understand and hard to empathise with. I'd also like to know more about her brother, what's his relationship with the rest of the family? And yes, why did Mrs D have an affair with Peter? What did she see in him??? I think Mr D is always gone for a few reasons. A) he just hasn't been important to the plot. B) he doesn't serve the primary interest in the relationships different women have with eachother. C) he and Mrs D got a divorce/separated after Alison went missing, which is mentioned at her funeral in the pilot episode, so obviously he hasn't lived with Mrs D for a while and only came back for Alison so he probably has a job/a life elsewhere in the US - maybe that's where he goes? Though idk why they don't just tell us that.

GOD DOESN'T SHE HAVE THE BIGGEST EGO?!?! I'm actually like "Marlene, stop. You are not a god. Pls stop this". The way she manipulates fans bothers me. I know it's part of the phenomenon and all that but still. I did a bit of research on where the show airs in the UK, and they show (last I knew, anyway) seasons 1 and 2, perhaps season 3, on a freeview channel (basically everyone has access to this) called VIVA which also shows Fresh Prince reruns (you can imagine then, that they don't buy up seasons immediately in that case). MTV UK have stopped airing it after season 2. A TV movie would probably never make it to the UK, I'd need an online rip which is hard to find and would set viewers back a few weeks (months?) in the plot while waiting for it. Honestly, it'd be a nightmare.

Well, the new episode explains where the came from re: Zack. But it was still out of character? Like, yes A planted this note. But he didn't have to act on it? Like who goes "oh this teenage girl, over the age of consent or no, has put this note in my pocket which is very childish and has given me no signals??? I should get into her car without an invite and come on to her! also I get married to her best friend's mother soon oh well"?? Totally uncalled for and out of character even if it has happened historically, as Ella mentioned (I'm still surprised Ella would have tolerated that in the first place? Not like her at all). EXACTLY OMG it's not like she forced him into marriage. He was making steps towards a commitment, he was actively making these decisions?!?! I'd understand a bit more if they'd been married/dating for ages without making any real transformation or change in their relationship and boredom had gotten the better of him or something?

I AM LOVING TANNER SO MUCH. Aria: "omg Ezra wasn't some creep who came onto all of his students". Tanner: "SURE HE DIDN'T" *eyebrow raised*. The fandom, judging by the video comments, seem to HATE HER. Like sorry that she's a responsible adult who's trying to figure out if Aria was the victim of a predator?? And is trying to help them?? Like god forbid they don't let you live out your perverted Ezria fantasy??? #sorrynotsorry. Team Tanner forever.

I'm really intrigued by the idea of the NAT club. We don't know if they were at all involved in all of the A stuff, if they were the first A (like, Alison's A) or if they were just set up by A to look guilty. The one thing that incriminates them are the videos of the liars and of Jenna and Toby, which I can only imagine being filmed for pervy reasons. However, this whole idea of 'protection' - maybe it was just a way to watch everyone being victimised by A? Perhaps it wasn't so sinister after all, just something that was a bit questionable but done for the right reasons? With 2 members dead, at A's hands, it seems that they were A's enemies, not their friends.

YES. That would be amazing. And they would probably complement eachother quite well - like they'd be able to communicate with one another whilst in the same room with a suspect or whatever. Like little nuances giving away their thoughts and ideas etc.
Spencer got a lot more information out of being on the A team than Toby, and she had an awfully lot less time on the team. Of course, some of that was deliberately revealed to her to manipulate her further, but Toby's total obliviousness is pretty shocking. I could honestly see Spencer going as far as college and picking up some sort of criminology course to fill her credits, realising she really enjoys it and majoring in it and then being cherry picked for training at Quantico for the FBI *_*
Also, with experience on the A team, how great would Spencer be at being an undercover cop? With Mona as another undercover cop or her handler? That would be so cool.

The storyline is totally unrealistic. There are a limited number of positions at the academy, because there are an even more limited amount of positions in police departments, because they're government funded and cannot afford to be overstaffed. As such, positions are competed for, you have to be crazy intelligent, have work experience outta your ears (relevant or not), do community work etc etc. Toby has a criminal record, he dropped out of high school and has a spotty employment record (remember that he couldn't get work when he was accused of murdering Alison?). On top of that, it takes two years to complete, sometime longer, and even then the odds of getting straight into a job are unlikely - it's highly competitive, even after the academy, and most who complete have no choice but to move away from home to get work (in the same way that most teachers in the UK just have to go wherever the job is, you can't be picky). The only reason he may be wearing the uniform is because they have to wear it at the academy (I know that's how it works in the UK).

I wouldn't be shocked if Alison has totally lost it. From what we see of flashbacks, and understand about her life in the time she's been away from Rosewood, she's never had a normal upbringing nor any real role model. That could be why she originally attached herself to Spencer, come to think of it, because the Hastings family have always appeared so conventional from the outside - perhaps Alison thought of Spencer as what she could have been if she'd had parents who were a little less crazy? It could also be what she finds interesting about Aria and her family too.

UGH what was the point of the mirrored characters and the Sarah storyline then? Oh hey, these guys lost a friend at the same time and also they all like you what a coincidence let's move on now?? Yeah, this Bethany storyline is so annoying, because even if they don't go down the twin route, they're trying to whip the fans into a frenzy over it. That looks like a child's face - perhaps they aren't going to say twin, but are going to allude to a childhood connection to Bethany? They might even go down a switched at birth route (god no) (i'd die of embarrassment if they did that).
It really is the dumbest storyline. The body and the clothing have decomposed significantly (that yellow top looks like cotton, or a cotton blend, and would have decomposed as fast as dead leaves, according to this post) and the body wasn't embalmed or anything, was left totally exposed to the elements so there is nothing left but the stronger proteins/calcium like teeth and bones. As I understand it, dental work is always the first thing they look at to identify a body because EVERYONE goes to a dentist at some point. Or has known flaws in their teeth. I don't remember anything about DNA or dental x-rays in the show, but the girls weren't really privy to that information and weren't as involved at that point of the show. Plus teeth seem to be a major emblem in the show - they spend time in the dental office in season 1, Maya's teeth on the necklace (maybe no her's. I can't remember) in season 3(?) etc.

I've never particularly liked Byron, and I've always been convinced that he and Alison had an affair. The physical similarities between her and Meredith are uncanny, and it would give Alison a reason to a) want to tell Ella and b) convince Aria to trash his office etc, to deal with the problem from a distance. Her interactions regarding him seem far more emotional, confused and symptomatic of a teenage girl who feels betrayed by someone she trusted.
He did gain some respect back in last night's episode though, when he talked to Ella like she hung the stars for him. He was supportive and understanding and didn't say "I told you so" or "you should have just stayed with me". He seems to have changed somewhat.

That could certainly be it. They do live in the same neighbourhood (the more wealthy part of town) while the other three seem to live in slightly (emphasis on slightly, the Fields family seem to be the least wealthy and yet their house is twice the size of mine, even with a car in the living room window) poorer part of town.
I still think Alison definitely seeks out the Hastings family (Spencer, but also sometimes Veronica - they seem to have a decent emotional link when talking about Spencer's habit in the flashbacks). The depth of her relationship to Spencer showed in last night's episode, when she seemed genuinely upset that Spencer had been spying on her and suspected her of something. Although, she may have been more upset to realise that Spencer had fallen out of the spell that Alison casts and has also taken the leader role from her. And does a far better job of it than Alison ever did.
Ezra is also shot in that episode isn't he? It seems to be a projection of things to come for sure. Absolutely, it's the usually conflict found in literature/tv/films/etc - how do you lead? with compassion or ruthlessness? can a leader appear to have weakness and humanity or not?

I don't necessarily dislike Emily. But I actually dislike Aria. I don't hate her, because I just don't care enough, but I certainly dislike her. I feel like the writers kind of neglect Emily a bit - aside from the death of Maya, and her shoulder injury, she isn't really angsting over anything? Ok yeah the Nate thing but that was sort of just forgotten about. She seemed to boil over a bit last night to Swimmy. Like Swimmy was SO close to telling us everything she knew because she liked Emily. That sounds like a pretty decent person to me. And Emily actually EXPLODED on her. I think the constant looking over her shoulder is getting to her, but we haven't been given enough to suggest that throughout the season tbh. She's been so badly neglected by the writers. Aria is just bland and self-centered (like yeah so is Spencer but she kind of has a reason??) and the only thing that ever made her popular was her relationship with Ezra. That's literally her whole character. Yawn. Absolutely, you've nailed it by saying that she's literally defined by Ezra. Even when she dates other men, it's all about Ezra. Which is sort of symptomatic of abuse if you think about it.

I'd assume that Mona had something to do with it. Someone pitched him off the bell tower and we're meant to believe he got up and walked away without making a sound, hopped, skipped and jumped to a barn and topped himself? Even if he did commit suicide, A was going to set Spencer up for it (his phone in her purse, A slips a horseshoe from the barn in there to) though the storyline was dropped. If you think about it, taking away his agency in the decision and claiming it as their work/Spencer's work is an act of violence too.

Honestly, their idiocy in these situations is killing me. They go out at dumb o'clock, to strange places (Spencer: oh I know I'll go up to the lakehouse where so much A stuff has happened, that is empty 99% of the time and has the flimsiest, single glazed windows and doors ever on my own at night when everyone in town is at this party to hide this very important stuff. YEAH GOOD ONE). I'm seriously surprised that the more sensible parents (particularly the mothers, they'd be more aware of day to day threats that young women face) haven't gotten them pepper spray or something. If I were them, I'd be sleeping with a baseball bat or something next to my bed and a knife under my pillow.

I am team Bellisario. Like, man she is so cool. She totally takes that guy down.

That definitely sounds like we'll lose Melissa then. I'd like to think the writers are just playing us by telling us Melissa's gonna blab to make everyone think she's leaving, and it's actually someone else who's gonna die but I doubt that's going to happen.

I was actually so angry when they doubled back on Ezra as A. It would have turned Ezria into the abusive and perverted relationship it is (I will never be okay with a teacher who sleeps with a student no no no). Same goes for Toby, because that would have been the ultimate betrayal of trust by a man which would so have fit what A sort of stands in for - the way A's point of view shots are filmed feels like a voyeur, and a threat in the way men as a mass feel to young girls, y'know? Both of those stories ended up being a total cop out.

I was horrified by the girls when Hanna told them about Zack, but particularly Aria's reaction. I'd like to think it was just misplaced anger on Aria's part, but it was SO nasty. I'm glad to see that Caleb, who has always been quite a straightforward character, believed her upfront about it. Honestly, I expected that Aria and Spencer would understand where Hanna was coming from, because they've had technically consensual papaya with their partners who were both hiding things about themselves (Ezra and Toby both slept with their partners, whilst concealing that they were A/spying on the girls) which sort of makes the consensual part moot, because it was uninformed? So in a way they've been there, and Zack was a parental figure (sort of) to Aria, and by extension Hanna sort of though of him as reliable, so her trust was totally betrayed too. I'm glad to see Ella immediately called of the engagement and didn't trivialise what Aria was telling her and that the girls all kind of sorted it out in the end. Though Spencer and Emily need to apologise ASAP. It's interesting that Alison was never told about what was going on there though.

Aria's self-centeredness was absolutely what was worst here. You were sexually assaulted? Boo hoo I killed someone in self-defence and everyone's making me feel bad about it but I don't really care about it that much all of a sudden? Like nah mate you ladies have to stick together at the best of time, never mind when your friend has been sexually assaulted. Aria's not a tramp but she's not an angel (which is a total realistic representation of a teenage girl - they all explore, it's not a bad thing). She had no right to be like that to Hanna at all.

I have noticed that. Whilst they take the time to write Spencer's and Hanna's storylines, they sort of seem to leave the others to just slot in wherever necessary? It's really weird.

On another note, I've noticed the cinematography and mise-en-scene of the shots seems a lot better put together this season. Kudos to whoever's in charge of that.

In the episode this week, Spencer had eye issues. It would have been way better if she had some sort of long term complication like temp blindness in one eye, permanent minor damage in that eye or having to wear a patch or something. She might have come to empathise with Jenna a bit. I'm coming to like Jenna more and more, especially when she said "it's not me you should be scared of, I'm not Alison" or whatever she said. #nailedit

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Aug 6, 2014 11:02:12 GMT V said:

Heads up that I've seen last nights episode, so watch that before reading this so I don't spoil it!

Oh, I see!! Well that's equal parts exciting and concerning. The past times we've had nods to Ali's childhood (mainly The First Secret, with the allusion to twins) it's been concerning the idea of twins. I'm not sure if that's a direct hint, or if the writers are just paying homage to the books? On the other hand, I think we really need to see more of Alison's home life because right now she's hard to understand and hard to empathise with. I'd also like to know more about her brother, what's his relationship with the rest of the family? And yes, why did Mrs D have an affair with Peter? What did she see in him??? I think Mr D is always gone for a few reasons. A) he just hasn't been important to the plot. B) he doesn't serve the primary interest in the relationships different women have with eachother. C) he and Mrs D got a divorce/separated after Alison went missing, which is mentioned at her funeral in the pilot episode, so obviously he hasn't lived with Mrs D for a while and only came back for Alison so he probably has a job/a life elsewhere in the US - maybe that's where he goes? Though idk why they don't just tell us that.

GOD DOESN'T SHE HAVE THE BIGGEST EGO?!?! I'm actually like "Marlene, stop. You are not a god. Pls stop this". The way she manipulates fans bothers me. I know it's part of the phenomenon and all that but still. I did a bit of research on where the show airs in the UK, and they show (last I knew, anyway) seasons 1 and 2, perhaps season 3, on a freeview channel (basically everyone has access to this) called VIVA which also shows Fresh Prince reruns (you can imagine then, that they don't buy up seasons immediately in that case). MTV UK have stopped airing it after season 2. A TV movie would probably never make it to the UK, I'd need an online rip which is hard to find and would set viewers back a few weeks (months?) in the plot while waiting for it. Honestly, it'd be a nightmare.

Well, the new episode explains where the came from re: Zack. But it was still out of character? Like, yes A planted this note. But he didn't have to act on it? Like who goes "oh this teenage girl, over the age of consent or no, has put this note in my pocket which is very childish and has given me no signals??? I should get into her car without an invite and come on to her! also I get married to her best friend's mother soon oh well"?? Totally uncalled for and out of character even if it has happened historically, as Ella mentioned (I'm still surprised Ella would have tolerated that in the first place? Not like her at all). EXACTLY OMG it's not like she forced him into marriage. He was making steps towards a commitment, he was actively making these decisions?!?! I'd understand a bit more if they'd been married/dating for ages without making any real transformation or change in their relationship and boredom had gotten the better of him or something?

I AM LOVING TANNER SO MUCH. Aria: "omg Ezra wasn't some creep who came onto all of his students". Tanner: "SURE HE DIDN'T" *eyebrow raised*. The fandom, judging by the video comments, seem to HATE HER. Like sorry that she's a responsible adult who's trying to figure out if Aria was the victim of a predator?? And is trying to help them?? Like god forbid they don't let you live out your perverted Ezria fantasy??? #sorrynotsorry. Team Tanner forever.

I'm really intrigued by the idea of the NAT club. We don't know if they were at all involved in all of the A stuff, if they were the first A (like, Alison's A) or if they were just set up by A to look guilty. The one thing that incriminates them are the videos of the liars and of Jenna and Toby, which I can only imagine being filmed for pervy reasons. However, this whole idea of 'protection' - maybe it was just a way to watch everyone being victimised by A? Perhaps it wasn't so sinister after all, just something that was a bit questionable but done for the right reasons? With 2 members dead, at A's hands, it seems that they were A's enemies, not their friends.

YES. That would be amazing. And they would probably complement eachother quite well - like they'd be able to communicate with one another whilst in the same room with a suspect or whatever. Like little nuances giving away their thoughts and ideas etc.
Spencer got a lot more information out of being on the A team than Toby, and she had an awfully lot less time on the team. Of course, some of that was deliberately revealed to her to manipulate her further, but Toby's total obliviousness is pretty shocking. I could honestly see Spencer going as far as college and picking up some sort of criminology course to fill her credits, realising she really enjoys it and majoring in it and then being cherry picked for training at Quantico for the FBI *_*
Also, with experience on the A team, how great would Spencer be at being an undercover cop? With Mona as another undercover cop or her handler? That would be so cool.

The storyline is totally unrealistic. There are a limited number of positions at the academy, because there are an even more limited amount of positions in police departments, because they're government funded and cannot afford to be overstaffed. As such, positions are competed for, you have to be crazy intelligent, have work experience outta your ears (relevant or not), do community work etc etc. Toby has a criminal record, he dropped out of high school and has a spotty employment record (remember that he couldn't get work when he was accused of murdering Alison?). On top of that, it takes two years to complete, sometime longer, and even then the odds of getting straight into a job are unlikely - it's highly competitive, even after the academy, and most who complete have no choice but to move away from home to get work (in the same way that most teachers in the UK just have to go wherever the job is, you can't be picky). The only reason he may be wearing the uniform is because they have to wear it at the academy (I know that's how it works in the UK).

I wouldn't be shocked if Alison has totally lost it. From what we see of flashbacks, and understand about her life in the time she's been away from Rosewood, she's never had a normal upbringing nor any real role model. That could be why she originally attached herself to Spencer, come to think of it, because the Hastings family have always appeared so conventional from the outside - perhaps Alison thought of Spencer as what she could have been if she'd had parents who were a little less crazy? It could also be what she finds interesting about Aria and her family too.

UGH what was the point of the mirrored characters and the Sarah storyline then? Oh hey, these guys lost a friend at the same time and also they all like you what a coincidence let's move on now?? Yeah, this Bethany storyline is so annoying, because even if they don't go down the twin route, they're trying to whip the fans into a frenzy over it. That looks like a child's face - perhaps they aren't going to say twin, but are going to allude to a childhood connection to Bethany? They might even go down a switched at birth route (god no) (i'd die of embarrassment if they did that).
It really is the dumbest storyline. The body and the clothing have decomposed significantly (that yellow top looks like cotton, or a cotton blend, and would have decomposed as fast as dead leaves, according to this post) and the body wasn't embalmed or anything, was left totally exposed to the elements so there is nothing left but the stronger proteins/calcium like teeth and bones. As I understand it, dental work is always the first thing they look at to identify a body because EVERYONE goes to a dentist at some point. Or has known flaws in their teeth. I don't remember anything about DNA or dental x-rays in the show, but the girls weren't really privy to that information and weren't as involved at that point of the show. Plus teeth seem to be a major emblem in the show - they spend time in the dental office in season 1, Maya's teeth on the necklace (maybe no her's. I can't remember) in season 3(?) etc.

I've never particularly liked Byron, and I've always been convinced that he and Alison had an affair. The physical similarities between her and Meredith are uncanny, and it would give Alison a reason to a) want to tell Ella and b) convince Aria to trash his office etc, to deal with the problem from a distance. Her interactions regarding him seem far more emotional, confused and symptomatic of a teenage girl who feels betrayed by someone she trusted.
He did gain some respect back in last night's episode though, when he talked to Ella like she hung the stars for him. He was supportive and understanding and didn't say "I told you so" or "you should have just stayed with me". He seems to have changed somewhat.

That could certainly be it. They do live in the same neighbourhood (the more wealthy part of town) while the other three seem to live in slightly (emphasis on slightly, the Fields family seem to be the least wealthy and yet their house is twice the size of mine, even with a car in the living room window) poorer part of town.
I still think Alison definitely seeks out the Hastings family (Spencer, but also sometimes Veronica - they seem to have a decent emotional link when talking about Spencer's habit in the flashbacks). The depth of her relationship to Spencer showed in last night's episode, when she seemed genuinely upset that Spencer had been spying on her and suspected her of something. Although, she may have been more upset to realise that Spencer had fallen out of the spell that Alison casts and has also taken the leader role from her. And does a far better job of it than Alison ever did.
Ezra is also shot in that episode isn't he? It seems to be a projection of things to come for sure. Absolutely, it's the usually conflict found in literature/tv/films/etc - how do you lead? with compassion or ruthlessness? can a leader appear to have weakness and humanity or not?

I don't necessarily dislike Emily. But I actually dislike Aria. I don't hate her, because I just don't care enough, but I certainly dislike her. I feel like the writers kind of neglect Emily a bit - aside from the death of Maya, and her shoulder injury, she isn't really angsting over anything? Ok yeah the Nate thing but that was sort of just forgotten about. She seemed to boil over a bit last night to Swimmy. Like Swimmy was SO close to telling us everything she knew because she liked Emily. That sounds like a pretty decent person to me. And Emily actually EXPLODED on her. I think the constant looking over her shoulder is getting to her, but we haven't been given enough to suggest that throughout the season tbh. She's been so badly neglected by the writers. Aria is just bland and self-centered (like yeah so is Spencer but she kind of has a reason??) and the only thing that ever made her popular was her relationship with Ezra. That's literally her whole character. Yawn. Absolutely, you've nailed it by saying that she's literally defined by Ezra. Even when she dates other men, it's all about Ezra. Which is sort of symptomatic of abuse if you think about it.

I'd assume that Mona had something to do with it. Someone pitched him off the bell tower and we're meant to believe he got up and walked away without making a sound, hopped, skipped and jumped to a barn and topped himself? Even if he did commit suicide, A was going to set Spencer up for it (his phone in her purse, A slips a horseshoe from the barn in there to) though the storyline was dropped. If you think about it, taking away his agency in the decision and claiming it as their work/Spencer's work is an act of violence too.

Honestly, their idiocy in these situations is killing me. They go out at dumb o'clock, to strange places (Spencer: oh I know I'll go up to the lakehouse where so much A stuff has happened, that is empty 99% of the time and has the flimsiest, single glazed windows and doors ever on my own at night when everyone in town is at this party to hide this very important stuff. YEAH GOOD ONE). I'm seriously surprised that the more sensible parents (particularly the mothers, they'd be more aware of day to day threats that young women face) haven't gotten them pepper spray or something. If I were them, I'd be sleeping with a baseball bat or something next to my bed and a knife under my pillow.

I am team Bellisario. Like, man she is so cool. She totally takes that guy down.

That definitely sounds like we'll lose Melissa then. I'd like to think the writers are just playing us by telling us Melissa's gonna blab to make everyone think she's leaving, and it's actually someone else who's gonna die but I doubt that's going to happen.

I was actually so angry when they doubled back on Ezra as A. It would have turned Ezria into the abusive and perverted relationship it is (I will never be okay with a teacher who sleeps with a student no no no). Same goes for Toby, because that would have been the ultimate betrayal of trust by a man which would so have fit what A sort of stands in for - the way A's point of view shots are filmed feels like a voyeur, and a threat in the way men as a mass feel to young girls, y'know? Both of those stories ended up being a total cop out.

I was horrified by the girls when Hanna told them about Zack, but particularly Aria's reaction. I'd like to think it was just misplaced anger on Aria's part, but it was SO nasty. I'm glad to see that Caleb, who has always been quite a straightforward character, believed her upfront about it. Honestly, I expected that Aria and Spencer would understand where Hanna was coming from, because they've had technically consensual papaya with their partners who were both hiding things about themselves (Ezra and Toby both slept with their partners, whilst concealing that they were A/spying on the girls) which sort of makes the consensual part moot, because it was uninformed? So in a way they've been there, and Zack was a parental figure (sort of) to Aria, and by extension Hanna sort of though of him as reliable, so her trust was totally betrayed too. I'm glad to see Ella immediately called of the engagement and didn't trivialise what Aria was telling her and that the girls all kind of sorted it out in the end. Though Spencer and Emily need to apologise ASAP. It's interesting that Alison was never told about what was going on there though.

Aria's self-centeredness was absolutely what was worst here. You were sexually assaulted? Boo hoo I killed someone in self-defence and everyone's making me feel bad about it but I don't really care about it that much all of a sudden? Like nah mate you ladies have to stick together at the best of time, never mind when your friend has been sexually assaulted. Aria's not a tramp but she's not an angel (which is a total realistic representation of a teenage girl - they all explore, it's not a bad thing). She had no right to be like that to Hanna at all.

I have noticed that. Whilst they take the time to write Spencer's and Hanna's storylines, they sort of seem to leave the others to just slot in wherever necessary? It's really weird.

On another note, I've noticed the cinematography and mise-en-scene of the shots seems a lot better put together this season. Kudos to whoever's in charge of that.

In the episode this week, Spencer had eye issues. It would have been way better if she had some sort of long term complication like temp blindness in one eye, permanent minor damage in that eye or having to wear a patch or something. She might have come to empathise with Jenna a bit. I'm coming to like Jenna more and more, especially when she said "it's not me you should be scared of, I'm not Alison" or whatever she said. #nailedit

Thanks for the spoiler warning! This reminds me of how I should put out more of them whenever I talk about sightings on set, Marlene's twitter and the alike.

Agreed, it could either be a hit or miss. Yes, there have been plenty of hints and allusions to twins on the show ("I always hated biology. I mean who cares how a cell divides, it just does."). At first it was probably just a homage to the books. For instance, just how one twin forces the other one to kill themselves in The First Secret the same thing happens in the books as well. I think now they are dead serious about 'em though. Yes, I find Alison insufferable right now and we definitely need some insight to her childhood or upbringing. I think that the writers deliberately chose Christmas to show some flashbacks because it's the time of the year when your family is supposed to get together and celebrate and the DiLaurentis just strike me as a pretty dysfunctional family.
Ugh, Jason was supposed to have a bigger role this season but the actor is committed to another TV show. They definitely need to explore his relationship with the other family members and his past. All we know is that he was a stoner, but that's about it. Oh and that Ali treated him like dirt.
I think they tried to dismiss the affair by saying that it was just an one-night-stand but both Peter and Jessica have been protecting the person who hit Alison with a rock, while Peter was eager to keep Jessica mum about throwing Spencer under the bus. Which, by the way, was a total cherry move on Jessica's part because she knew who murdered Ali!?! That makes sense about Mr. D.

YES YES YES and she has this unbearable pretentious tone in her interviews and keeps praising herself. "A is like my fave character cuz they are so well written har har har."
I understand why she and the other writers would lie about certain things because they do have to keep the mystery alive but I don't like how she can be very misleading and never keeps her promises. Oh and she has a tendency to spoil things. Why on earth would she tell us that a major character is going to die this season? Where is the shock factor in that?
Oh, I know VIVA. They constantly air Sailor Moon episodes here, so I see where you are coming from. A freeview channel secured the rights to the second season here in Austria (and Germany) and started to air it a couple of weeks ago. It will takes YEARS until they'll broadcast season three and four. I just imagine Marlene drooling over the idea of an international release, but it doesn't seem to work.

The only thing that makes sense about this whole Zack fiasco is A's motivation for planting that note. A knew that Hanna and Aria weren't on good terms with each other and one of their goals is to tear the girls apart. Still it was pretty disgusting that an overly-manly man such as Zack couldn't contain his adult panties because he's been slipped a seductive note from a bad gurl. I'm glad that Caleb punched him hard. At least one predator got put into his place.
I was surprised too that Ella forgave him so quickly the first time around, because she had a very hard time coping with Byron's affair. Obviously there's a difference between your first love having an affair and your fiancée being inappropriate but I reckoned that she would be sensitive around that matter? I'll elaborate on that a bit later though.

Aria's response was hilarious because Ezra could have gone after ANY OF THE GIRLS and it certainly didn't stop him from filming them while they were asleep and stalking them 24/7. So much for not being a creep who roams the school hallways. I love how Tanner is onto something bigger. She sees the bigger picture.
From what I gathered it's 50:50 when it comes to Tanner. The majority of people who hate her are afraid that she might crush and burn Ezria or expose St. Alison's BS.

I like your theory about the NAT club! NAT stands for 'We see all', what if it's meant in the sense of protecting someone? Being some sort of guardian or supervisor? Jason founded it and out of Ian and Garrett he strikes me as the least crooked. Also the NAT club and Jenna, Melissa and Cece were at the DiLaurentis house the night Alison disappeared. Melissa says that she knew who was buried in Alison's grave. What if they were somehow involved with her death? Ian and Garrett are dead, someone tried to kill Jason once. This is definitely suspicious. Right now we are lead to believe that A killed both of them, so maybe there is some sort of conflict between A and the NAT club.

Exactly. For all I care they could be international super spies. As long as they work together that's cool. Just imagine them taking down petty thieves and bigger crime bosses. A RV can be their headquarters and Toby can be responsible for the endless supply of donuts and coffee. Special Agent Spencer Hastings is officially my head canon!

Yes exactly and Toby fulfils none of the criteria you listed. They try to make him this well-read lad who quotes Fitzgerald here and there but he never was the brightest bulb in the box to begin with. Okay, that thing about the police uniform makes sense. I honestly believe that the writers just want to sport him in a police uniform for the sake of it. I understand why he's emotional right now, especially with his house blowing up and the police ruling it out as just a gas leak but this whole idea of protecting Spencer annoys me to no end. It's a noble gesture but he came off as if Spencer can't come up with those answers on her own? He said that he joined the A team because he wanted to protect her. How? She was doing fine until he basically sent her to Radley. It's also unrealistic that Tanner and Co. wouldn't keep an eye on him, if he really does get the job (which is inevitable at this point). Tanner knows who he is. She knows that Toby is linked to the girls and she doesn't trust them a bit. Gosh, this whole thing is so daft. UGH.

I'm convinced that there must be something wrong with Ali, mentally speaking. Even before she disappeared, she caused a lot of havoc and destroyed people's lives on a daily basis - and she enjoyed it! She didn't show any remorse for blinding Jenna, in fact, she made of her and threatened to kill her. I have a hard time believing that it didn't way heavily on her conscience and if it truly didn't, well, that's not a sign of the ordinary. Now she's been on the run from a psychotic killer, barely leading a normal life, and she's still on the run. Somewhere down the road this can't be good for you. It makes sense that she would pick seemingly ordinary people as her friends.

I'm not going to lie, but I can't stand Alison at the moment. In the flashbacks she was at least upfront of being a lying, vile and manipulative b!tch. She would smack you down right in front of you and everyone else. She didn't hide it. She openly embraced it. Now that Ali's back she is just a manipulative and nasty as before BUT at the same time she tries to conceal it by being all meek and mellow, begging for sympathy and rubbing her sob story into everyone's face. It's awful to watch.

Eh it's all filler at this point and a few to please all the twin theory fans on Twitter. "Heey there is this blonde girl who was just as nasty as Alison! Twins anyone?!"
I remember reading somewhere that the writers weren't allowed to go down the "switched at birth" route because that's the premises of another show on the same network. I don't know how legitimate the information is, but I hope it's true.
It's a case of really bad writing, again. I don't think that Marlene knows how forensics work. Can't someone force her sit down and watch an episode of Criminal Minds/Bones/Law & Order, etc. My bad, maybe I got something mixed up? I vaguely remember someone saying on the show that they use dental records to identify a body, but maybe it was another show, I'm not sure. Three girls have gone missing around the same time in the same time and once they find a body, their immediate reaction is "OH EM GEE IT'S TOTALLY ALISON DIWHATEVER"?!

Yes, in that one flashback they seemed terribly cosy with each other. It certainly didn't give me that teenager-adult vibe. Maybe there's more to this story? What if Alison deliberately left that part out because she wanted to have the girls' sympathy? How uncomfortable would it be for Aria if it turned out that girl, who she didn't like to begin with, had a thing with her dad?
Also is it just me or do they try to purify Alison? Everyone assumed that she slept with Ian but it turns out that they never did! Is the audience supposed to believe that the two of them spent an entire weekend together innocently cuddling on the bed and playing monopoly while they set up a camera in front of the bed?! I believe in platonic relationships but there's nothing platonic about those two!
I was glad that we got to see Byron to begin with, because the last time we saw him was back in 4A. I liked how he tried to console Ella while she was trying very hard to fight those tears back and didn't want him to see her being upset. I think that ever since it turned out that Meredith was a lunatic, he regretted cheating on Ella. He also encouraged her to go to Vienna and find happiness there. I think the reason for the Zack storyline and Ella cancelling the engagement party is for the writers to be able to put those two together. Holly Marie Combs chose not to be one the show as often, so it would sense to get her back for a few episodes to complete a smaller arc.

I can imagine that Veronica was something of a replacement mother figure. She can be a very caring and loving mother so it would make sense to seek her. I think that at this point we are lead to believe that the DiLaurentis parents left their children home alone a few times because that's the only way I can explain Jason's college parties. So if they were really gone all the time it makes sense to pursue both Veronica and Spencer, with the latter filling in the older sister role. Also, I don't remember if it was just a dream, but Ali apologies to Spencer for not telling her that Jason is her half brother and she romanticises the idea of the two being sisters (if they aren't, I think).
I don't know, she could have genuinely been upset but she's also aware that Spencer was never under her spell to begin. Also why didn't Spencer just tell her that she was spying on Melissa and not her? Way to go Spencer, way to go.
I forgot about Ezra. Also apparently we are getting some Paige and Emily confrontations soon.
Well, from the looks of the promo Spencer is coming up with a plan B in order to break free from Ali and the girls will presumably have to chose between the two. I can also see the writers exploring the power struggle further in 5B. I think it's very possible and it makes sense.

My beef with Emily stems from the fact that she can be pretty nasty when she flies off the handle. I understand that she's very vulnerable and emotional right now as she is conflicted about her feelings for Alison -who was her first love- but I don't think it gives her the right to jump down at anyone's throat when they question Ali. Emily just explodes and yells out pretty rude and vile things and she never apologises for it. Nobody calls her out on her behaviour because she's supposed to be the nice liar and I find that unacceptable. When Spencer interrupted Emily's secret meeting with Ali, Emily was pretty cold to her and held a grudge against her for several episodes. When Spencer suggested that Noel may have locked those two in the stable, she erupted again because it put Ali in a negative light and proceeded to accuse Melissa. When was accusing other people's family members okay again? Emily was pretty awful towards Hanna and Jenna when the latter was looking out for Toby.
I sort of understand why she was mad at Swimmy though. She befriended her knowing who both Jenna and Alison are and dumbed down to find out dirt. I still think that it was incredible dumb of Emily to threaten Sydney like that and declare her an enemy. Sydney was about to spill the beans, so why wouldn't she listen to her? The last thing the girls needed was another enemy who conspires against them.

I'd go as far as to say that Ezra and Aria are an abusive relationship. Back in season one he gave her the choice to stay with him or not (well what the frig did her expect her to say?) and she based her decision on what she thought what was the best of her knowledge. Turns out he was a creepy stalker and pursued her for ulterior motives, so the relationship was based on a lie. He bit her head off for lying to him about being a college student while he knew who she was. That's emotional abuse right there. He put Aria through his whole strawberry involving over-jealous ex-fiancées and psycho teen mums. I'm not saying that Aria is innocent in all of this but Ezra is the freaking adult in this relationship and should know better. Now there's Aria, the supposedly mature and strong one of the liars, but somehow her whole life spirals around one man? Everything she does is connected to Ezra and it's sad to watch. Even now after he betrayed her, she still texts him because he can offer her comfort?? She needs to be sent back to Iceland NOW.

My bad, I didn't mean to dismiss Mona's involvement surrounding Ian's murder. It's still very iffy. Four seasons in and we still don't know who murdered him and why.

Yes offence to Aria, was Ella's engagement party really so important that they would let one of their own roam freely while there's A on the loose? I was glad that Spencer even grabbed that fire poker and threatened Noel. Holy moly, she even asked him questions! I think it's sad that they need to dumb down the girls in order for the story to flow properly. It should be the other way around!
Even if they are given a weapon, they wouldn't use it. I think of Hanna grabbing the gun on that roof top scene, but she didn't shoot even though they were in a life threatening situation. Maybe it has something to do with Hanna herself, because Emily and Aria surely would have shot. Those girls don't even try to protect themselves. They make it so easy for A, it's sad.

I like how she's peppy and glad about being the show one minute and after that guy made that remark her facial expression instantly changed and she took him down. She's also very open about being against 'Ezria' and thinks it unfair that people would undermine the show just because it's target audience are teenagers. Team Bellisario all the way!

It's true that the writers may be bluffing. Season four supposed to be 'the season of answers' and look at how that turned out to be. There's a lot of shade thrown at Melissa right now, so maybe she's the obvious choice? Maybe she's just another red-herring? Also did you notice how A was caressing her helmet?

By the by, I was glad to see Noel in this episode since he's been just floating around like a ghost since season four. It was interesting to see another side to his character. A more vulnerable facet? It wouldn't surprise me if he were to be the character who bites the dust this season. So apparently someone set up a bomb to the house he was in minutes before it set off. That definitely can't be a coincidence. What is his secret and why would A target him? He has information that would potentially help out A.

Agreed. I think they didn't want to upset the shippers but at which cost? Was it really necessary to conceal those as some sort of anti-heroes? God forbid that one of the leading men is actually evil. What's the point of coming up with this storyline in the first place, if they are going to ditch it anyway.
I lost all sympathy for Toby with his lame reveal. An entire season of build up just vanished just like that and I can't believe that Spencer was so quick to forgive him. He says that he wanted to protect her but how? He could have given her some signs that he was alive but instead he jeopardised her chances of making it into UPenn. It makes me sick whenever I see those two together. Seriously, this show has a serious problem with glossing over betrayal just like that.

Their reactions didn't make sense but then at the same time they did believe her? When Spencer brought it up when she talked to Caleb it indicated that she did believe Hanna because why would she mention it in the first place when she thought it was a lie? I also love love Caleb for being the only support system in Hanna's life right now. It was incredibly heart-warming when he confronted her about it and made her realise that it wasn't her fault.
Yes, exactly! I think it was a case of bad writing again...just to fuel the heat up between the girls. I suppose all of them experienced betrayal at some point and that they wouldn't believe their BEST FRIEND that she was sexually assaulted doesn't add up. This show is very unrealistic about many things, but this is just overkill.
I was surprised that Aria told Ella in the first place because she lied about Byron having an affair, so why would she be honest this time around? There have been many difficult situations were the girls had the option of telling the truth but they didn't, so I expected this scene to be one of then and expected this to be dragged on forever until A exposes the truth at the altar.
Well, all the other girls knew because Hanna told them directly but she never told Ali. I don't even think that Hanna considers her Alison to her friend and she avoids her like the plague. All the other girls were busy so they couldn't fill her in. I also think that they wouldn't have out of respect to Hanna, but who knows.

I was glad that Hanna asked Aria why she didn't believe her. That was a very emotional scene and I just felt for Hanna.

EXACTLY! She didn't stay at the crime scene like all innocent people do and now she has to deal with the consequences. She doesn't need to throw Hanna under the bus. She could have opened her mouth when Holbrook interrogated Alison but she didn't. Her fault. I'm surprised that Hanna was so quick to forgive her, but then again, she doesn't hold grudges unlike some other people.
Eeek, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Aria was a tramp. What I meant was that she isn't exactly an saint so it was out of line to accuse Hanna of luring Zack into her car.

I understand why Spencer gets all the big storylines because Troian Bellisario is probably one of the best actresses on the show and she nails all her dramatic scenes. Ashley Benson is a pretty good actress as well and vastly underrated. Both Spencer and Hanna are a lot more complex than both Emily and Aria and their background story is just overall bigger, I think. Emily had the coming out story, Maya's death, several love interests, her shoulder injury and that's about it. We know next to nothing about her family and the writers use her whenever they need her and killed her character in the process. She has a lot more scenes with Spencer, so that's cool. Idk about Shay Mitchell as an actress because I don't know if Emily's just a poorly written character or if Shay's really that bad. Then there's Aria and as we established she's boring and her only purpose is swoon over Ezra because the shippers love some Ezria. She shines whenever she teams up with Spencer but that doesn't happen enough. They need to give Lucy Hale more things to work with because she really isn't a bad actress.

Yes, I noticed the cinematography and I like the directing this season as well. The only thing that bothers me in terms of production is Spencer's wig.

I hope that Spencer's eye injury wasn't a ploy for the big Sydney/Jenna reveal. It'd be pretty rad if she came to empathise with Jenna because it's only those extreme situations where she starts to show any form of empathy. We see the girls working together with Mona in the promo for next week's episode, so maybe that's a start? I like the idea of the liars working together with Mona's army in order to take down Alison, because she really IS dragging them down with her and it scares me. Perhaps they'll work together with Jenna in that process?

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Aug 7, 2014 20:09:45 GMT Jinniy said:

Thanks for the spoiler warning! This reminds me of how I should put out more of them whenever I talk about sightings on set, Marlene's twitter and the alike.

Agreed, it could either be a hit or miss. Yes, there have been plenty of hints and allusions to twins on the show ("I always hated biology. I mean who cares how a cell divides, it just does."). At first it was probably just a homage to the books. For instance, just how one twin forces the other one to kill themselves in The First Secret the same thing happens in the books as well. I think now they are dead serious about 'em though. Yes, I find Alison insufferable right now and we definitely need some insight to her childhood or upbringing. I think that the writers deliberately chose Christmas to show some flashbacks because it's the time of the year when your family is supposed to get together and celebrate and the DiLaurentis just strike me as a pretty dysfunctional family.
Ugh, Jason was supposed to have a bigger role this season but the actor is committed to another TV show. They definitely need to explore his relationship with the other family members and his past. All we know is that he was a stoner, but that's about it. Oh and that Ali treated him like dirt.
I think they tried to dismiss the affair by saying that it was just an one-night-stand but both Peter and Jessica have been protecting the person who hit Alison with a rock, while Peter was eager to keep Jessica mum about throwing Spencer under the bus. Which, by the way, was a total cherry move on Jessica's part because she knew who murdered Ali!?! That makes sense about Mr. D.

YES YES YES and she has this unbearable pretentious tone in her interviews and keeps praising herself. "A is like my fave character cuz they are so well written har har har."
I understand why she and the other writers would lie about certain things because they do have to keep the mystery alive but I don't like how she can be very misleading and never keeps her promises. Oh and she has a tendency to spoil things. Why on earth would she tell us that a major character is going to die this season? Where is the shock factor in that?
Oh, I know VIVA. They constantly air Sailor Moon episodes here, so I see where you are coming from. A freeview channel secured the rights to the second season here in Austria (and Germany) and started to air it a couple of weeks ago. It will takes YEARS until they'll broadcast season three and four. I just imagine Marlene drooling over the idea of an international release, but it doesn't seem to work.

The only thing that makes sense about this whole Zack fiasco is A's motivation for planting that note. A knew that Hanna and Aria weren't on good terms with each other and one of their goals is to tear the girls apart. Still it was pretty disgusting that an overly-manly man such as Zack couldn't contain his adult panties because he's been slipped a seductive note from a bad gurl. I'm glad that Caleb punched him hard. At least one predator got put into his place.
I was surprised too that Ella forgave him so quickly the first time around, because she had a very hard time coping with Byron's affair. Obviously there's a difference between your first love having an affair and your fiancée being inappropriate but I reckoned that she would be sensitive around that matter? I'll elaborate on that a bit later though.

Aria's response was hilarious because Ezra could have gone after ANY OF THE GIRLS and it certainly didn't stop him from filming them while they were asleep and stalking them 24/7. So much for not being a creep who roams the school hallways. I love how Tanner is onto something bigger. She sees the bigger picture.
From what I gathered it's 50:50 when it comes to Tanner. The majority of people who hate her are afraid that she might crush and burn Ezria or expose St. Alison's BS.

I like your theory about the NAT club! NAT stands for 'We see all', what if it's meant in the sense of protecting someone? Being some sort of guardian or supervisor? Jason founded it and out of Ian and Garrett he strikes me as the least crooked. Also the NAT club and Jenna, Melissa and Cece were at the DiLaurentis house the night Alison disappeared. Melissa says that she knew who was buried in Alison's grave. What if they were somehow involved with her death? Ian and Garrett are dead, someone tried to kill Jason once. This is definitely suspicious. Right now we are lead to believe that A killed both of them, so maybe there is some sort of conflict between A and the NAT club.

Exactly. For all I care they could be international super spies. As long as they work together that's cool. Just imagine them taking down petty thieves and bigger crime bosses. A RV can be their headquarters and Toby can be responsible for the endless supply of donuts and coffee. Special Agent Spencer Hastings is officially my head canon!

Yes exactly and Toby fulfils none of the criteria you listed. They try to make him this well-read lad who quotes Fitzgerald here and there but he never was the brightest bulb in the box to begin with. Okay, that thing about the police uniform makes sense. I honestly believe that the writers just want to sport him in a police uniform for the sake of it. I understand why he's emotional right now, especially with his house blowing up and the police ruling it out as just a gas leak but this whole idea of protecting Spencer annoys me to no end. It's a noble gesture but he came off as if Spencer can't come up with those answers on her own? He said that he joined the A team because he wanted to protect her. How? She was doing fine until he basically sent her to Radley. It's also unrealistic that Tanner and Co. wouldn't keep an eye on him, if he really does get the job (which is inevitable at this point). Tanner knows who he is. She knows that Toby is linked to the girls and she doesn't trust them a bit. Gosh, this whole thing is so daft. UGH.

I'm convinced that there must be something wrong with Ali, mentally speaking. Even before she disappeared, she caused a lot of havoc and destroyed people's lives on a daily basis - and she enjoyed it! She didn't show any remorse for blinding Jenna, in fact, she made of her and threatened to kill her. I have a hard time believing that it didn't way heavily on her conscience and if it truly didn't, well, that's not a sign of the ordinary. Now she's been on the run from a psychotic killer, barely leading a normal life, and she's still on the run. Somewhere down the road this can't be good for you. It makes sense that she would pick seemingly ordinary people as her friends.

I'm not going to lie, but I can't stand Alison at the moment. In the flashbacks she was at least upfront of being a lying, vile and manipulative b!tch. She would smack you down right in front of you and everyone else. She didn't hide it. She openly embraced it. Now that Ali's back she is just a manipulative and nasty as before BUT at the same time she tries to conceal it by being all meek and mellow, begging for sympathy and rubbing her sob story into everyone's face. It's awful to watch.

Eh it's all filler at this point and a few to please all the twin theory fans on Twitter. "Heey there is this blonde girl who was just as nasty as Alison! Twins anyone?!"
I remember reading somewhere that the writers weren't allowed to go down the "switched at birth" route because that's the premises of another show on the same network. I don't know how legitimate the information is, but I hope it's true.
It's a case of really bad writing, again. I don't think that Marlene knows how forensics work. Can't someone force her sit down and watch an episode of Criminal Minds/Bones/Law & Order, etc. My bad, maybe I got something mixed up? I vaguely remember someone saying on the show that they use dental records to identify a body, but maybe it was another show, I'm not sure. Three girls have gone missing around the same time in the same time and once they find a body, their immediate reaction is "OH EM GEE IT'S TOTALLY ALISON DIWHATEVER"?!

Yes, in that one flashback they seemed terribly cosy with each other. It certainly didn't give me that teenager-adult vibe. Maybe there's more to this story? What if Alison deliberately left that part out because she wanted to have the girls' sympathy? How uncomfortable would it be for Aria if it turned out that girl, who she didn't like to begin with, had a thing with her dad?
Also is it just me or do they try to purify Alison? Everyone assumed that she slept with Ian but it turns out that they never did! Is the audience supposed to believe that the two of them spent an entire weekend together innocently cuddling on the bed and playing monopoly while they set up a camera in front of the bed?! I believe in platonic relationships but there's nothing platonic about those two!
I was glad that we got to see Byron to begin with, because the last time we saw him was back in 4A. I liked how he tried to console Ella while she was trying very hard to fight those tears back and didn't want him to see her being upset. I think that ever since it turned out that Meredith was a lunatic, he regretted cheating on Ella. He also encouraged her to go to Vienna and find happiness there. I think the reason for the Zack storyline and Ella cancelling the engagement party is for the writers to be able to put those two together. Holly Marie Combs chose not to be one the show as often, so it would sense to get her back for a few episodes to complete a smaller arc.

I can imagine that Veronica was something of a replacement mother figure. She can be a very caring and loving mother so it would make sense to seek her. I think that at this point we are lead to believe that the DiLaurentis parents left their children home alone a few times because that's the only way I can explain Jason's college parties. So if they were really gone all the time it makes sense to pursue both Veronica and Spencer, with the latter filling in the older sister role. Also, I don't remember if it was just a dream, but Ali apologies to Spencer for not telling her that Jason is her half brother and she romanticises the idea of the two being sisters (if they aren't, I think).
I don't know, she could have genuinely been upset but she's also aware that Spencer was never under her spell to begin. Also why didn't Spencer just tell her that she was spying on Melissa and not her? Way to go Spencer, way to go.
I forgot about Ezra. Also apparently we are getting some Paige and Emily confrontations soon.
Well, from the looks of the promo Spencer is coming up with a plan B in order to break free from Ali and the girls will presumably have to chose between the two. I can also see the writers exploring the power struggle further in 5B. I think it's very possible and it makes sense.

My beef with Emily stems from the fact that she can be pretty nasty when she flies off the handle. I understand that she's very vulnerable and emotional right now as she is conflicted about her feelings for Alison -who was her first love- but I don't think it gives her the right to jump down at anyone's throat when they question Ali. Emily just explodes and yells out pretty rude and vile things and she never apologises for it. Nobody calls her out on her behaviour because she's supposed to be the nice liar and I find that unacceptable. When Spencer interrupted Emily's secret meeting with Ali, Emily was pretty cold to her and held a grudge against her for several episodes. When Spencer suggested that Noel may have locked those two in the stable, she erupted again because it put Ali in a negative light and proceeded to accuse Melissa. When was accusing other people's family members okay again? Emily was pretty awful towards Hanna and Jenna when the latter was looking out for Toby.
I sort of understand why she was mad at Swimmy though. She befriended her knowing who both Jenna and Alison are and dumbed down to find out dirt. I still think that it was incredible dumb of Emily to threaten Sydney like that and declare her an enemy. Sydney was about to spill the beans, so why wouldn't she listen to her? The last thing the girls needed was another enemy who conspires against them.

I'd go as far as to say that Ezra and Aria are an abusive relationship. Back in season one he gave her the choice to stay with him or not (well what the frig did her expect her to say?) and she based her decision on what she thought what was the best of her knowledge. Turns out he was a creepy stalker and pursued her for ulterior motives, so the relationship was based on a lie. He bit her head off for lying to him about being a college student while he knew who she was. That's emotional abuse right there. He put Aria through his whole strawberry involving over-jealous ex-fiancées and psycho teen mums. I'm not saying that Aria is innocent in all of this but Ezra is the freaking adult in this relationship and should know better. Now there's Aria, the supposedly mature and strong one of the liars, but somehow her whole life spirals around one man? Everything she does is connected to Ezra and it's sad to watch. Even now after he betrayed her, she still texts him because he can offer her comfort?? She needs to be sent back to Iceland NOW.

My bad, I didn't mean to dismiss Mona's involvement surrounding Ian's murder. It's still very iffy. Four seasons in and we still don't know who murdered him and why.

Yes offence to Aria, was Ella's engagement party really so important that they would let one of their own roam freely while there's A on the loose? I was glad that Spencer even grabbed that fire poker and threatened Noel. Holy moly, she even asked him questions! I think it's sad that they need to dumb down the girls in order for the story to flow properly. It should be the other way around!
Even if they are given a weapon, they wouldn't use it. I think of Hanna grabbing the gun on that roof top scene, but she didn't shoot even though they were in a life threatening situation. Maybe it has something to do with Hanna herself, because Emily and Aria surely would have shot. Those girls don't even try to protect themselves. They make it so easy for A, it's sad.

I like how she's peppy and glad about being the show one minute and after that guy made that remark her facial expression instantly changed and she took him down. She's also very open about being against 'Ezria' and thinks it unfair that people would undermine the show just because it's target audience are teenagers. Team Bellisario all the way!

It's true that the writers may be bluffing. Season four supposed to be 'the season of answers' and look at how that turned out to be. There's a lot of shade thrown at Melissa right now, so maybe she's the obvious choice? Maybe she's just another red-herring? Also did you notice how A was caressing her helmet?

By the by, I was glad to see Noel in this episode since he's been just floating around like a ghost since season four. It was interesting to see another side to his character. A more vulnerable facet? It wouldn't surprise me if he were to be the character who bites the dust this season. So apparently someone set up a bomb to the house he was in minutes before it set off. That definitely can't be a coincidence. What is his secret and why would A target him? He has information that would potentially help out A.

Agreed. I think they didn't want to upset the shippers but at which cost? Was it really necessary to conceal those as some sort of anti-heroes? God forbid that one of the leading men is actually evil. What's the point of coming up with this storyline in the first place, if they are going to ditch it anyway.
I lost all sympathy for Toby with his lame reveal. An entire season of build up just vanished just like that and I can't believe that Spencer was so quick to forgive him. He says that he wanted to protect her but how? He could have given her some signs that he was alive but instead he jeopardised her chances of making it into UPenn. It makes me sick whenever I see those two together. Seriously, this show has a serious problem with glossing over betrayal just like that.

Their reactions didn't make sense but then at the same time they did believe her? When Spencer brought it up when she talked to Caleb it indicated that she did believe Hanna because why would she mention it in the first place when she thought it was a lie? I also love love Caleb for being the only support system in Hanna's life right now. It was incredibly heart-warming when he confronted her about it and made her realise that it wasn't her fault.
Yes, exactly! I think it was a case of bad writing again...just to fuel the heat up between the girls. I suppose all of them experienced betrayal at some point and that they wouldn't believe their BEST FRIEND that she was sexually assaulted doesn't add up. This show is very unrealistic about many things, but this is just overkill.
I was surprised that Aria told Ella in the first place because she lied about Byron having an affair, so why would she be honest this time around? There have been many difficult situations were the girls had the option of telling the truth but they didn't, so I expected this scene to be one of then and expected this to be dragged on forever until A exposes the truth at the altar.
Well, all the other girls knew because Hanna told them directly but she never told Ali. I don't even think that Hanna considers her Alison to her friend and she avoids her like the plague. All the other girls were busy so they couldn't fill her in. I also think that they wouldn't have out of respect to Hanna, but who knows.

I was glad that Hanna asked Aria why she didn't believe her. That was a very emotional scene and I just felt for Hanna.

EXACTLY! She didn't stay at the crime scene like all innocent people do and now she has to deal with the consequences. She doesn't need to throw Hanna under the bus. She could have opened her mouth when Holbrook interrogated Alison but she didn't. Her fault. I'm surprised that Hanna was so quick to forgive her, but then again, she doesn't hold grudges unlike some other people.
Eeek, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Aria was a tramp. What I meant was that she isn't exactly an saint so it was out of line to accuse Hanna of luring Zack into her car.

I understand why Spencer gets all the big storylines because Troian Bellisario is probably one of the best actresses on the show and she nails all her dramatic scenes. Ashley Benson is a pretty good actress as well and vastly underrated. Both Spencer and Hanna are a lot more complex than both Emily and Aria and their background story is just overall bigger, I think. Emily had the coming out story, Maya's death, several love interests, her shoulder injury and that's about it. We know next to nothing about her family and the writers use her whenever they need her and killed her character in the process. She has a lot more scenes with Spencer, so that's cool. Idk about Shay Mitchell as an actress because I don't know if Emily's just a poorly written character or if Shay's really that bad. Then there's Aria and as we established she's boring and her only purpose is swoon over Ezra because the shippers love some Ezria. She shines whenever she teams up with Spencer but that doesn't happen enough. They need to give Lucy Hale more things to work with because she really isn't a bad actress.

Yes, I noticed the cinematography and I like the directing this season as well. The only thing that bothers me in terms of production is Spencer's wig.

I hope that Spencer's eye injury wasn't a ploy for the big Sydney/Jenna reveal. It'd be pretty rad if she came to empathise with Jenna because it's only those extreme situations where she starts to show any form of empathy. We see the girls working together with Mona in the promo for next week's episode, so maybe that's a start? I like the idea of the liars working together with Mona's army in order to take down Alison, because she really IS dragging them down with her and it scares me. Perhaps they'll work together with Jenna in that process?

I'm not so certain the twin thing is happening now? After last night's episode at least. Even though the total ambiguity (or polarisation?) of Alison's actions, the way they showed Alison in her wig made it very clear it was just one Alison. The hair is meant to look fake, and say there was a twin, they would want to appear totally different to Alison surely, and would just cut and dye their hair?
It's a shame that Jason never did get any real character development. All we know is that his relationship with Alison was very antagonistic, that his mother ADORED him (to the extent that it's a bit creepy?) and that he was a stoner, but perhaps not so much of a bad guy in the end? Like wow, such development many character etc etc.
There was definitely more to the affair than was first thought. Peter wouldn't abide Mrs D trying to damage the reputations of EITHER of his daughters if there wasn't more going on.

UGH HER "PROMISES" DO MY NUT IN. "You will get all the answers in this episode", she said about the season 4b finale and that didn't happen. Yes, the spoilers thing bothers me too! It's like, here in the UK, the daytime tv shows (just like panel kind of things? they sit and talk about middle aged mother stuff like recipes and the scary gays and all that) sit and talk about the soaps that are airing this week and what all the major plot lines/spoilers/exciting stuff are. Like what's the point of watching it if you keep telling me everything??? If you want a character death to hurt, make it sudden. It's not hard??? Honestly, Marlene needs to shut uuuuup.
Yeah, I've noticed she seems to think of the show as a total international success, when it really isn't doing well outside of the US? Most diehards have to watch online because it's not available on tv locally.

I can totally see why the note was planted, and I suppose A probably knew about Zack's prior offense, but I still can't believe that he went "yes this is totally appropriate"

Crazy, man.
I am and am not surprised with Ella's reaction. Like, yeah she's never taken any rubbish from anyone, but on the other hand maybe it was just like a minor infraction? Like he was flirting but didn't DO anything, and she was wondering if she was just reading into it too much, particularly because we know she feels like she's inept when it comes to dating, having been out of the field for quite some time.

I full on LAUGHED at Aria's reaction to Tanner suggesting Ezra was a creep. Like she was so shocked she could even think that? "A teacher dates his underage student and you call him a creep? A CREEP? Tanner, how could you? Are you on drugs?". Honestly, Aria, stfu.
Tanner definitely knows something's up here. Like even when she first came into the show she realised that. "How can those girls attract so many bodies?" LIKE THANK YOU FOR NOTICING THE DISPROPORTIONATE VOLUME OF BODIES TURNING UP IN ROSEWOOD AND AROUND THESE GIRLS IN PARTICULAR. It's reassuring to know there's at least one good cop around.
I only seem to be seeing Tanner hate. And it's ALL about crushing Ezria. And when I read it I chuckle under my breath and whisper "good. destroy them. crush them" and steeple my fingers under my chin like a true villain.

Perhaps the conflict is BECAUSE they put a body in the ground. A chased Ali out of town - but I don't think that was A's endgame. Because A has been looking for Alison. By putting a body in the ground, the NAT club give Alison a reason to stay away because everyone now thinks she's dead. It's the perfect way out, and maybe Alison didn't hear from A for the first year or two of her disappearance because A thought she was dead. That would give A a beef with the NAT club. Remember that A doesn't come back until after the body is found, and even then it's localised to Rosewood. Maybe A thinks the NAT club took the chance to kill Alison away from them, hence the anger, initially which then escalates when it comes to light that Alison may be alive.

Speaking of the NAT club, according to the PLL wiki, Ian's middle name is Elizabeth. Because his parents didn't love him.

Toby as the housekeeper for Mona and Spencer. He does the dusting, the laundry, the cooking etc. Adorable. A man in his rightful place. Truly divine. Even better - Melissa as their liaison with whatever government body (police, FBI, CIA whatevs) who deals with the bureaucracy and is like cherry PLEASE LIVES ARE AT STAKE whenever people are all about affordability and the bigger picture etc. Amazing.
THEN PUT THEM IN ONE OF THOSE HIPPIE CAMPER VANS BECAUSE THAT'D BE CUTE. Mona and Spencer cruising around in their little yellow camper van with Top Secret work in it and then they're like yo let's go and pull their total arsenal of weaponry outta the backseat. Feminist stickers on the bumper - like 'grrrrrrl power' and all that. I'm into it.
Special Agent Spencer Hastings and her older sister Supervising Special Agent Melissa Hastings. That's it for me.

I always thought it was so weird that Toby would quote famous writing? Like, yes ok he's quite sensitive and as I said before, takes on quite a feminine role within the relationship. But he's been a dropout and lost a year or more of education whilst in juvie. He may enjoy reading, but is his history going to steer him towards Fitzgerald and co?
He's in the uniform just to make the fangirls salivate. Which I don't get. Like he has nice abs but he's a bit of a butterface. (Though Keegan is a lovely guy)
Spencer can more than look after herself, but he doesn't seem to see it. She put herself back together in Radley with the help of women only. She doesn't NEED a masculine hero, because she IS the hero. She looks after herself.
It would be all eyes on Toby if he made the cut. Tanner, the local police, Spencer's parents (Veronica definitely deals in criminal law - she took Ashley Marin's case - so she may cross paths in a professional light), A, Mona, the NAT Club, Alison, the Liars, Caleb. Literally everyone would be watching him and pressuring him into something. It will all go horribly wrong. I can guarantee it.

Well, this week's episode basically confirmed that Alison has lost it. She paid Cyrus to confess to the kidnapping, presumably to satisfy Tanner and company, but didn't tell the girls? wtf? To pull that off she manipulated the girls, her family, the police. Like wtf is wrong with you?? And I certainly don't think she ever felt the littlest bit of remorse for Jenna. I understand to a point - she thought Jenna was A - but even still, she didn't feel bad after this was proven incorrect. She's become even more unhinged since her disappearance, but this has been going on for a VERY long time - her vanity, her jealousy, her need to manipulate and lie etc.

Yes, I've definitely noticed the new layer to her manipulation. Hanna, Spencer and Aria have been seeing through it for a while now, but Emily really only gave up on her in this week's episode. I'm glad to see the girls are considering telling Tanner everything (won't happen, and if it does, Tanner will die before she gets back to the office) and cutting Alison off because it's the only way to get rid of a friend as toxic as Alison for good. It could also lead to an alliance with Mona, Jenna, Melissa and everyone else, which would create some really interesting dynamics. On that subject, seeing Mona and Hanna kind of working together this week was refreshing? The similarities between Mona and Spencer means that they both have the same sort of dynamic with Hanna, and it's really enjoyable (though it's interesting that Mona seems to be more affectionate with Hanna than Spencer is - like sometimes Spencer corrects her and it comes of as nasty rather than friendly, but Mona didn't really do that?).

Exactly, and all of these girls looked alike. If this was Criminal Minds, the BAU would be called in because there is a definite pattern here. And any body left open to elements has to be formally identified, not just 'meh, she's the richest one, her family might sue if it's not her, just say it's her'

like what planet are we on here?

There's definitely more going on with Byron in those flashbacks. He was made to look sketchy in the first couple of seasons for a reason, and that's because there IS something there. They are definitely trying to make Alison seem more innocent than she is, because she was absolutely sleeping with Ian. They basically made a couple of papaya tapes? How can you deny that? And rumour has it that she was pregnant by Wilden, perhaps didn't sleep with Ezra but came close, slept with Byron (maybe) and who knows who else? They probably don't want to call her promiscuous because it would demonise female sexuality. Y'know, the whole bad girl sleeps with lots of men what a disgusting bit of trash trope?
Also, the flashback scenes with that Cyrus guy were really weird, aye? Like, it was clear they were on good grounds in the present tense, otherwise the deal wouldn't have happened, but the flashbacks were violent and really heavily hinted to a starfruit? (Which you can sort of get from what she's wearing - baggy t-shirt suggests vulnerability and leaves her hoohah open if you get me - and that he's towering over her, the knife wound on the inside of her upper thigh - maybe a lime metaphor?) Anyway, it all just seems really weird and I'm not sure I understand whether or not those flashbacks have happened or not?

I would really like if Byron and Ella could reconcile, but not until everything's been dealt with. You know like at the end of a Shakespeare play, where all of the upset and drama is remedied and sorted out and then everything sort of falls back into place like it's fate and meant to be and all that? They're relationship has always felt very organic and real, and that's probably because Holly Marie Combs is a fantastic actress tbh.

I am a total Veronica Hastings stan tbh. Like, I actually genuinely like her, even if she does put her foot in it on occasions. I wouldn't be shocked if Alison had wanted to be sort of pseudo adopted by the Hastings family, because she'd maybe finally get a chance to just be, without all of the lying and hiding and posturing? Spencer always saw through it all anyway. It's never been confirmed if that was a dream or if it happened (like the barn incident did), though I'd like to think it did, because it was a very candid image of Alison. She complimented Spencer on her intelligence, her ferocity, told her she was so close to figuring it all out and she absolutely did romanticise the idea of them being sisters.
Also, at the time of this dream/reality or whatever blind fugue state Spencer was in, I totally thought "wouldn't it be cool if Spencer was one of those mediums and this was Alison coming across the void to tell her something useful?". And it would be totally cool.

You hit the nail on the head with Emily. She can be SO nasty, and she consistently loses the rag with Spencer. I think she often loses it with her in particular because Spencer has a tendency to be very frank and never really dances around issues whereas Emily's far gentler in how she deals with problems and would rather slow down and way up her options. However, that approach doesn't always work fast enough. The two of them have different ideas, and when you give them a problem with a deadline the stress makes Emily explode.
I understand why she was getting upset with them for criticising Alison. Emily was in love with her for a really long time and went through a big struggle to come to terms with it, by which point Alison was 'dead' and they had all grieved for her. Over time, Emily totally romanticised Alison and lifted her up to this God-like vision of who she was. Everytime the girls criticise Ali, Emily loses a bit of her identity and some really precious memories. It doesn't make it okay though.
I do understand why she's mad at Swimmy too. Like, yeah, she was being totally manipulated and everything, so I do get it. Though Emily's reaction was still disproportionate and blew any bridges that were being built.
I'm really glad to see that Emily is ready to give up on Alison, which may lead her back to the right path again. She needs to remember who her friends really are.

Yes, everything you said about Ezria is spot on. It's an abusive and manipulative relationship. That Aria's whole character depends on Ezra is shocking and shouldn't be allowed to continue. Even when they're talking about A as a group, Aria always drags Ezra into it.

Bellisario is a phenomenal lady, and having grown up in the Hollywood world, she knows where it falls short in terms of equality and false glamour. She's got her feet on the ground and she's VERY intelligent. Also, having suffered an eating disorder, she takes representing herself in a positive way as a role model really seriously which is so refreshing. Basically, I am in love with her because she is great.

I honestly don't think it's going to be Melissa. By the sound of it, she's leaving, but under her own steam and preferably via a plane than via A's murdering ways. I love the idea of her and Spencer running off (though Spencer wouldn't leave the girls, she's much to loyal and much to invested in solving the mystery now) and Melissa kind of trying to play the single mother role - trying to put Spencer through school and looking out for her etc. Like that would be adorable. Maybe that could happen with the flashforward? Melissa being the big death seems WAY too obvious now - they've basically rubbed it in our faces in the synopsis of the episode. The caressing of the helmet suggests some sort of affection, I can't see she's going to be murdered.

I'm really interested in Noel now. We originally knew him as the nasty rich boy, then the not-so-nasty rich boy but now he seems vulnerable. He needs insurance now? Has Alison directly threatened him? He and Spencer seem to be in the same boat here (that conflict last week poised them as equals who are both feeling the same need for self preservation). I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves this season, especially considering that he seems to be tied up in other projects?

The whole point of the show is that teenage girls cannot trust anyone. By making the boyfriends take a turn really laid that on thick, so I still can't comprehend why they've done this TWICE now?

Yeah, that whole plot line was so weird. It was all out of character, unrealistic and seemed to be dealt with much to quickly. Generally, it was just poor writing.

Aria's whiny Shana guilt storyline is boring me to death now. If she'd stayed put and TOLD THE TRUTH we wouldn't be having this problem. But it's too late now, isn't it? Honestly, what a moron.

Troian and Ashley absolutely nail it every single time. I see big things in their future, provided they don't end up shooting series 18493 of PLL. A big part of their characters getting larger stories is just that they are more heavily connected into it. Emily and Aria could probably leave Rosewood, and A may not care. But if the other two tried to leave there would be big trouble. I can't really comment on the strength of Lucy or Shay, because I haven't seen them in anything else. But they haven't really had any big hits outside of the show? Like Troian does all this independent stuff that seems to get pretty well commended and Ashley had Spring Breakers and seems to have a reasonably large role in a film with Peter Dinklage and Adam Sandler coming up next year. Shay hasn't filmed anything other than PLL this year, and only has two roles listed other than PLL where she wasn't an extra. Lucy hasn't really done anything of note other than a Scream movie and some show called Privileged. So yeah, maybe they're just weaker actresses.

Bad news is the eye thing looks like a ploy for the reveal, but it does look like the liars are keen to join with Melissa and Mona to line up against Alison. I'm very excited for how this plays out!!

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Aug 16, 2014 21:29:22 GMT V said:

I'm not so certain the twin thing is happening now? After last night's episode at least. Even though the total ambiguity (or polarisation?) of Alison's actions, the way they showed Alison in her wig made it very clear it was just one Alison. The hair is meant to look fake, and say there was a twin, they would want to appear totally different to Alison surely, and would just cut and dye their hair?
It's a shame that Jason never did get any real character development. All we know is that his relationship with Alison was very antagonistic, that his mother ADORED him (to the extent that it's a bit creepy?) and that he was a stoner, but perhaps not so much of a bad guy in the end? Like wow, such development many character etc etc.
There was definitely more to the affair than was first thought. Peter wouldn't abide Mrs D trying to damage the reputations of EITHER of his daughters if there wasn't more going on.

UGH HER "PROMISES" DO MY NUT IN. "You will get all the answers in this episode", she said about the season 4b finale and that didn't happen. Yes, the spoilers thing bothers me too! It's like, here in the UK, the daytime tv shows (just like panel kind of things? they sit and talk about middle aged mother stuff like recipes and the scary gays and all that) sit and talk about the soaps that are airing this week and what all the major plot lines/spoilers/exciting stuff are. Like what's the point of watching it if you keep telling me everything??? If you want a character death to hurt, make it sudden. It's not hard??? Honestly, Marlene needs to shut uuuuup.
Yeah, I've noticed she seems to think of the show as a total international success, when it really isn't doing well outside of the US? Most diehards have to watch online because it's not available on tv locally.

I can totally see why the note was planted, and I suppose A probably knew about Zack's prior offense, but I still can't believe that he went "yes this is totally appropriate"

Crazy, man.
I am and am not surprised with Ella's reaction. Like, yeah she's never taken any rubbish from anyone, but on the other hand maybe it was just like a minor infraction? Like he was flirting but didn't DO anything, and she was wondering if she was just reading into it too much, particularly because we know she feels like she's inept when it comes to dating, having been out of the field for quite some time.

I full on LAUGHED at Aria's reaction to Tanner suggesting Ezra was a creep. Like she was so shocked she could even think that? "A teacher dates his underage student and you call him a creep? A CREEP? Tanner, how could you? Are you on drugs?". Honestly, Aria, stfu.
Tanner definitely knows something's up here. Like even when she first came into the show she realised that. "How can those girls attract so many bodies?" LIKE THANK YOU FOR NOTICING THE DISPROPORTIONATE VOLUME OF BODIES TURNING UP IN ROSEWOOD AND AROUND THESE GIRLS IN PARTICULAR. It's reassuring to know there's at least one good cop around.
I only seem to be seeing Tanner hate. And it's ALL about crushing Ezria. And when I read it I chuckle under my breath and whisper "good. destroy them. crush them" and steeple my fingers under my chin like a true villain.

Perhaps the conflict is BECAUSE they put a body in the ground. A chased Ali out of town - but I don't think that was A's endgame. Because A has been looking for Alison. By putting a body in the ground, the NAT club give Alison a reason to stay away because everyone now thinks she's dead. It's the perfect way out, and maybe Alison didn't hear from A for the first year or two of her disappearance because A thought she was dead. That would give A a beef with the NAT club. Remember that A doesn't come back until after the body is found, and even then it's localised to Rosewood. Maybe A thinks the NAT club took the chance to kill Alison away from them, hence the anger, initially which then escalates when it comes to light that Alison may be alive.

Speaking of the NAT club, according to the PLL wiki, Ian's middle name is Elizabeth. Because his parents didn't love him.

Toby as the housekeeper for Mona and Spencer. He does the dusting, the laundry, the cooking etc. Adorable. A man in his rightful place. Truly divine. Even better - Melissa as their liaison with whatever government body (police, FBI, CIA whatevs) who deals with the bureaucracy and is like cherry PLEASE LIVES ARE AT STAKE whenever people are all about affordability and the bigger picture etc. Amazing.
THEN PUT THEM IN ONE OF THOSE HIPPIE CAMPER VANS BECAUSE THAT'D BE CUTE. Mona and Spencer cruising around in their little yellow camper van with Top Secret work in it and then they're like yo let's go and pull their total arsenal of weaponry outta the backseat. Feminist stickers on the bumper - like 'grrrrrrl power' and all that. I'm into it.
Special Agent Spencer Hastings and her older sister Supervising Special Agent Melissa Hastings. That's it for me.

I always thought it was so weird that Toby would quote famous writing? Like, yes ok he's quite sensitive and as I said before, takes on quite a feminine role within the relationship. But he's been a dropout and lost a year or more of education whilst in juvie. He may enjoy reading, but is his history going to steer him towards Fitzgerald and co?
He's in the uniform just to make the fangirls salivate. Which I don't get. Like he has nice abs but he's a bit of a butterface. (Though Keegan is a lovely guy)
Spencer can more than look after herself, but he doesn't seem to see it. She put herself back together in Radley with the help of women only. She doesn't NEED a masculine hero, because she IS the hero. She looks after herself.
It would be all eyes on Toby if he made the cut. Tanner, the local police, Spencer's parents (Veronica definitely deals in criminal law - she took Ashley Marin's case - so she may cross paths in a professional light), A, Mona, the NAT Club, Alison, the Liars, Caleb. Literally everyone would be watching him and pressuring him into something. It will all go horribly wrong. I can guarantee it.

Well, this week's episode basically confirmed that Alison has lost it. She paid Cyrus to confess to the kidnapping, presumably to satisfy Tanner and company, but didn't tell the girls? wtf? To pull that off she manipulated the girls, her family, the police. Like wtf is wrong with you?? And I certainly don't think she ever felt the littlest bit of remorse for Jenna. I understand to a point - she thought Jenna was A - but even still, she didn't feel bad after this was proven incorrect. She's become even more unhinged since her disappearance, but this has been going on for a VERY long time - her vanity, her jealousy, her need to manipulate and lie etc.

Yes, I've definitely noticed the new layer to her manipulation. Hanna, Spencer and Aria have been seeing through it for a while now, but Emily really only gave up on her in this week's episode. I'm glad to see the girls are considering telling Tanner everything (won't happen, and if it does, Tanner will die before she gets back to the office) and cutting Alison off because it's the only way to get rid of a friend as toxic as Alison for good. It could also lead to an alliance with Mona, Jenna, Melissa and everyone else, which would create some really interesting dynamics. On that subject, seeing Mona and Hanna kind of working together this week was refreshing? The similarities between Mona and Spencer means that they both have the same sort of dynamic with Hanna, and it's really enjoyable (though it's interesting that Mona seems to be more affectionate with Hanna than Spencer is - like sometimes Spencer corrects her and it comes of as nasty rather than friendly, but Mona didn't really do that?).

Exactly, and all of these girls looked alike. If this was Criminal Minds, the BAU would be called in because there is a definite pattern here. And any body left open to elements has to be formally identified, not just 'meh, she's the richest one, her family might sue if it's not her, just say it's her'

like what planet are we on here?

There's definitely more going on with Byron in those flashbacks. He was made to look sketchy in the first couple of seasons for a reason, and that's because there IS something there. They are definitely trying to make Alison seem more innocent than she is, because she was absolutely sleeping with Ian. They basically made a couple of papaya tapes? How can you deny that? And rumour has it that she was pregnant by Wilden, perhaps didn't sleep with Ezra but came close, slept with Byron (maybe) and who knows who else? They probably don't want to call her promiscuous because it would demonise female sexuality. Y'know, the whole bad girl sleeps with lots of men what a disgusting bit of trash trope?
Also, the flashback scenes with that Cyrus guy were really weird, aye? Like, it was clear they were on good grounds in the present tense, otherwise the deal wouldn't have happened, but the flashbacks were violent and really heavily hinted to a starfruit? (Which you can sort of get from what she's wearing - baggy t-shirt suggests vulnerability and leaves her hoohah open if you get me - and that he's towering over her, the knife wound on the inside of her upper thigh - maybe a lime metaphor?) Anyway, it all just seems really weird and I'm not sure I understand whether or not those flashbacks have happened or not?

I would really like if Byron and Ella could reconcile, but not until everything's been dealt with. You know like at the end of a Shakespeare play, where all of the upset and drama is remedied and sorted out and then everything sort of falls back into place like it's fate and meant to be and all that? They're relationship has always felt very organic and real, and that's probably because Holly Marie Combs is a fantastic actress tbh.

I am a total Veronica Hastings stan tbh. Like, I actually genuinely like her, even if she does put her foot in it on occasions. I wouldn't be shocked if Alison had wanted to be sort of pseudo adopted by the Hastings family, because she'd maybe finally get a chance to just be, without all of the lying and hiding and posturing? Spencer always saw through it all anyway. It's never been confirmed if that was a dream or if it happened (like the barn incident did), though I'd like to think it did, because it was a very candid image of Alison. She complimented Spencer on her intelligence, her ferocity, told her she was so close to figuring it all out and she absolutely did romanticise the idea of them being sisters.
Also, at the time of this dream/reality or whatever blind fugue state Spencer was in, I totally thought "wouldn't it be cool if Spencer was one of those mediums and this was Alison coming across the void to tell her something useful?". And it would be totally cool.

You hit the nail on the head with Emily. She can be SO nasty, and she consistently loses the rag with Spencer. I think she often loses it with her in particular because Spencer has a tendency to be very frank and never really dances around issues whereas Emily's far gentler in how she deals with problems and would rather slow down and way up her options. However, that approach doesn't always work fast enough. The two of them have different ideas, and when you give them a problem with a deadline the stress makes Emily explode.
I understand why she was getting upset with them for criticising Alison. Emily was in love with her for a really long time and went through a big struggle to come to terms with it, by which point Alison was 'dead' and they had all grieved for her. Over time, Emily totally romanticised Alison and lifted her up to this God-like vision of who she was. Everytime the girls criticise Ali, Emily loses a bit of her identity and some really precious memories. It doesn't make it okay though.
I do understand why she's mad at Swimmy too. Like, yeah, she was being totally manipulated and everything, so I do get it. Though Emily's reaction was still disproportionate and blew any bridges that were being built.
I'm really glad to see that Emily is ready to give up on Alison, which may lead her back to the right path again. She needs to remember who her friends really are.

Yes, everything you said about Ezria is spot on. It's an abusive and manipulative relationship. That Aria's whole character depends on Ezra is shocking and shouldn't be allowed to continue. Even when they're talking about A as a group, Aria always drags Ezra into it.

Bellisario is a phenomenal lady, and having grown up in the Hollywood world, she knows where it falls short in terms of equality and false glamour. She's got her feet on the ground and she's VERY intelligent. Also, having suffered an eating disorder, she takes representing herself in a positive way as a role model really seriously which is so refreshing. Basically, I am in love with her because she is great.

I honestly don't think it's going to be Melissa. By the sound of it, she's leaving, but under her own steam and preferably via a plane than via A's murdering ways. I love the idea of her and Spencer running off (though Spencer wouldn't leave the girls, she's much to loyal and much to invested in solving the mystery now) and Melissa kind of trying to play the single mother role - trying to put Spencer through school and looking out for her etc. Like that would be adorable. Maybe that could happen with the flashforward? Melissa being the big death seems WAY too obvious now - they've basically rubbed it in our faces in the synopsis of the episode. The caressing of the helmet suggests some sort of affection, I can't see she's going to be murdered.

I'm really interested in Noel now. We originally knew him as the nasty rich boy, then the not-so-nasty rich boy but now he seems vulnerable. He needs insurance now? Has Alison directly threatened him? He and Spencer seem to be in the same boat here (that conflict last week poised them as equals who are both feeling the same need for self preservation). I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves this season, especially considering that he seems to be tied up in other projects?

The whole point of the show is that teenage girls cannot trust anyone. By making the boyfriends take a turn really laid that on thick, so I still can't comprehend why they've done this TWICE now?

Yeah, that whole plot line was so weird. It was all out of character, unrealistic and seemed to be dealt with much to quickly. Generally, it was just poor writing.

Aria's whiny Shana guilt storyline is boring me to death now. If she'd stayed put and TOLD THE TRUTH we wouldn't be having this problem. But it's too late now, isn't it? Honestly, what a moron.

Troian and Ashley absolutely nail it every single time. I see big things in their future, provided they don't end up shooting series 18493 of PLL. A big part of their characters getting larger stories is just that they are more heavily connected into it. Emily and Aria could probably leave Rosewood, and A may not care. But if the other two tried to leave there would be big trouble. I can't really comment on the strength of Lucy or Shay, because I haven't seen them in anything else. But they haven't really had any big hits outside of the show? Like Troian does all this independent stuff that seems to get pretty well commended and Ashley had Spring Breakers and seems to have a reasonably large role in a film with Peter Dinklage and Adam Sandler coming up next year. Shay hasn't filmed anything other than PLL this year, and only has two roles listed other than PLL where she wasn't an extra. Lucy hasn't really done anything of note other than a Scream movie and some show called Privileged. So yeah, maybe they're just weaker actresses.

Bad news is the eye thing looks like a ploy for the reveal, but it does look like the liars are keen to join with Melissa and Mona to line up against Alison. I'm very excited for how this plays out!!

I’m not sure. A lot of people on social media are begging for the twin thing to happen and given the writers’ history of fanservice, it wouldn’t surprise if they really do head down that path. I think that at the moment it’s one of the possible options? I also don’t think that Ali is the one with a twin. The idea of a possible Ali twin has been up in the air since her return but last week’s episode reinforced the idea that there’s only one Ali. I also think that her attire was a nod to the Vivian Darkbloom persona from season one/two.
Yes and Jason’s storylines were either short-lived or dropped completely. I reckon that they can’t recast that part because they’ve already done so before and it’d be odd to switch actors towards the end of the show. They certainly don’t mind using him a red-herring though, just as the other 9855678 minor characters.
Agreed about Peter.

Marlene and her promises are funny. We are supposed to get a gay character on the show since season three but that hasn’t happened so far. Also an astonishing amount of things get leaked online. Last season the scripts of several episodes popped up on the net. How on earth does that happen? Plus, neither the cast nor the writers keep sightings on set secret, which leads to fans figuring out what happens in the next episodes in the span of 15 minutes. Plus, Marlene and Co. keep on spoiling the show for us. Why? Is the marketing department of the show really that bad that the writers have to keep the fans talking?!
The only sensible thing would be to make a movie which doesn’t tie to the rest of the story, but that’d be incredibly crass and pointless.

Yes and the way he responded to Caleb was really odd too. He didn’t dispute the accusations, in fact, he admitted to hitting on a minor and he even tried to rationalise his behaviour. You ought to think that someone who’s about to get married would DENY and DOWNPLAY his actions because, well, he’s about to get married.
That’s true, we don’t know what happened the first time around. I also believe that Ella really wanted to find happiness? Her first love cheated on her, was single for a while, was dating around and found someone who appeared to genuinely like her for who she was. It makes sense that she would turn a blind eye to whatever happened.

Aria’s way past being madly in love with Ezra. The girl is deluded. How on earth does someone go from being mad at someone for STALKING them one minute and the next minute they are defending them because of a stupid scar which, by the way, was their own fault? Aria needs to get her strawberry together, ASAP.
Oh, I’m certain that both Tanner and Holbrook get the bigger picture. I remember that board at the police station, when Hanna was snooping around, and it was spot on. If I remember correctly, it even had Maya on it and they referred to Wren as “Dr.” Kingston, so they are definitely onto something. It wouldn’t surprise me if one of them ended up being dead because they were close to solving the mystery. Perhaps A sees them as a threat?
Argh, how could I forget that the majority of the fandom is made of Ezria shippers?

It’s very confusing because we don’t really know which A was Mona and which one is the current one. We also don’t know if Ali’s story of the night she disappeared is true or not because she did leave out some details (i.e. her meeting with Byron). Right now we are lead to believe that Mona tricked Ali into leaving town since that was her ultimate goal. One year later a body shows up and everyone believes that it’s Alison. Mona starts harassing the girls and knows that Ali is alive; her motive is still unclear but we are lead to believe that she worked for someone else: Red Coat/Über A. We also know that Mona didn’t kill Ian because she was the A who gave Emily the hint that his death wasn’t a suicide and that there was something fishy about it, so Über A probably killed both Ian and Garrett and presumably tried to kill Jason – all members of the NAT club.
Now, I believe that the NAT club must somehow be involved in the death of Bethany. I refuse to believe that there isn’t any sort of connection because Garrett, Ian, Jason, CeCe, Jenna and Melissa were roaming around at the DiLaurentis’ property and it’s improbable that they didn’t notice a girl getting buried alive. Perhaps A knew Bethany and if the NAT club was really involved in her death, it sorta explains why A is after them? My head is pounding now, I’m sorry.

Haha what, that’s funny.

YES YES YES that sounds grande. I love the idea of Mona and Spencer cruising in a hippie van while kicking some serious apple and Toby keeps everything neat and tidy. They definitely should hire us for writing a Mona/Spencer/Melissa/Toby spin-off. Wren can also be the big bad, their archenemy so to speak, since everyone involved has some sort of beef with him. Also, I’d love to see them work as undercover cops, even 21 Jump Street style, since both Mona and Spencer are great at breaking in at places and blending perfectly in.

I think that it was slightly out of character. Obviously it was supposed to be surprising but there wasn’t any indication of Toby being a well-read person, or, let’s say that he enjoyed reading? Thinking about it we don’t know that much about Toby either, I guess. It would have made sense, if we saw him preparing for his entrance exam for the police academy by reading famous literature, among other things, but that didn’t happen either, so yeah.
Eh, the writers don’t waste chances to make people’s panties drop. Right now they don’t have any excuses to show Keegan topless so a uniform it is. Frig, when Ezra was in hospital, they made sure to draw fake abs on him. And ‘butterface’ is a word that I need to add to my vocabulary because it’s spot on. Now I feel bad.
It bothers me that Toby doesn’t see or realise that Spencer is the hero in this story. She figured out who A is twice and every time she crumbles, she gets up and puts herself together. I can empathise with the idea of wanting to protect the people you love, but as you said, Spencer can take care of herself.
I think that it’ll either go horribly wrong or terribly well. Marlene loves Toby and I have my slight doubts that she would make precious Cop!Toby fail.

Yes, exactly! I believe that Alison is definitely delusional. I love how Spencer had to remind her that she was never kidnapped in the first place. She would stick at nothing to make everyone believe that she was kidnapped.
Ali’s hatred/obsession with Jenna is really unhealthy and it reminds me of Mona’s obsession with Ali, to a certain extent. Ali was jealous of Jenna because the latter was a serious threat to her Queen B throne and she didn’t succumb to Ali’s advances. I’m sure that Ali was mad that Jenna didn’t want to be part of her mean girls squad. It’s really sickening, if you think about it. Also Sydney told Emily that Alison basically destroyed Jenna when she visited her at the hospital and it’s really disturbing.

Well according to the synopsis of episode 12, A hinders them from telling the truth. I’m glad that Spencer wanted to come clear now at least twice, so that’s cool. From the looks of it, it’s actually the girls who seek Mona after help and we see all girls working together in one of the promos for the finale of 5A. Marlene also said that the Mona’s army storyline is set to conclude in 5A. I just wonder who Ali is going to recruit for her ‘army’. I’m also thrilled about the idea of the liars and Mona/Jenna/Melissa working together.
Yeah, in this episode Spencer seemed rather nasty to Hanna whenever she corrected her or told her to keep quiet? I don’t think that she means ill, in fact, I think she does it because she loves Hanna. I guess it has something to do with the way Spencer is – very blunt, honest and straight to the point. Also Mona and Hanna have a different history with each other. Mona turned Hanna into an Ali clone but I believe that she still somewhat cared for her? She was very upset when Hanna cut all ties with her back in season three and I think it goes way beyond her obsession with Ali. I suppose that Hanna was her only, real friend and whenever they communicate with each other that history kinda shines through.

Exactly! I get that the police in Rosewood is corrupt but this is just ridiculous.

I never thought of it in that way, but it makes sense, especially since this is an otherwise very feminist show and stamping the bad girl image on Ali would be very stereotypical. I think the writers mentioned that they want to address Ali’s sexuality in this season because people have been wondering about it since the ‘Emison’ hook-up or whatever the heck that was.
The whole flashback was really weird. Oh, and the scene when Alison arrives at the basement. She looked traumatised. When she told Tanner about how Cyrus held her captive, it looked as if she was reliving that moment and now there’s the question of whether or whether not it really happened. She was restless when she told Tanner her story but when she met up with Cyrus, she seemed calm, well-composed and in control of her emotions? When Hanna, I think, asked her about the scar she told her that once someone knows the truth they cannot unknow it, which may indicate that it might have happened or maybe she was bluffing the whole time? Also Cyrus told her that he could have easily spilled the beans on her, so there’s definitely more going on.

Yes, that’d be amazing! The question is if the writers are capable of pulling that off. I mean, they aren’t that bad. Season one and two were great and the writers didn’t change, so… Yeah, their relationships felt very natural, even after they got their divorce it was interesting to see those two interact. It didn’t feel awkward.

I love Veronica too! Her scenes with Spencer are very heart-warming. I remember that scene when she told Spencer that both of them are moving out because she split up with Peter, it was incredible. I think it makes sense that Alison would want to be a Hastings, especially since they are already a household name, seemingly ordinary and because her family own family is so dysfunctional. Also the Hastings are very competitive and who else loves competition?
That would have been really cool. Too bad that Alison ended up being alive.

Agreed about Emily and Spencer. Both of them are so fundamentally different. Emily, for instance, prefers to give people the benefit of doubt and genuinely believes in the good of the people. She’s well-natured and gentle and Spencer is the complete opposite by being very impulsive and accusing everyone and their grandmother of being A, so it makes sense that those clash with each other.
I sorta understand why she was behaving the way she did but once it turned out that Ali was alive she completely regressed as a person and it was a darn shame. I do understand that Ali was her first love so it made things worse for her. I’m glad that she has finally come to her senses now.
She may reconcile with Swimmy? In one of the sneak peeks for today’s episode, she wants to talk with Paige, so I suppose that Emily is on something of an apology spree. Also since the girls are working with Mona now, it would make sense to seek Swimmy.
It’s a terrible shame that they didn’t follow the books regarding Ezria. In the books Ezra gets arrested and moves way and Aria moves on. Even now all Aria does is hanging out Ezra’s apartment while the rest of them are continuously putting their lives at risk. By the way, when Emily confronted Alison in episode 10, did you notice how she left out Aria? She told Ali about how Hanna broke her leg, how Spencer went to Radley and how she was almost killed in that elevator but said nothing about Aria? I thought it was hilarious because Aria has never been through the fraction of fudgery the other girls went through.

Yes, exactly! Troian Bellisario is basically my (girl) crush. She’s so great and probably my favourite out of the four leading ladies.

I thought that Melissa was going to be the big, shocking death of this season but this is one heck of a red-herring. Nah, I’m convinced that she won’t die. She’ll probably flee to Europe, cutting off all ties with Rosewood and Spencer then finds the tape – not knowing what to do with it. I love the idea of those two running off and Melissa stepping into the single mother figure. That’d be awesome.

The funny thing is that Noel was never really a bad guy to begin with. Yes, he’s a ladies man and a bit opportunistic (dating both Mona and Jenna) but that’s about it. His beef with the girls didn’t start until he found out that Aria and Ezra were a thing and he clearly thought that it was wrong. I mean, yeah, instead of trying to blackmail Ezra, he could have gone to the authorities but it makes sense for a junior in high school to take such a secret to one’s advantage. He kinda had a defeated look on his face, when Spencer repeatedly asked him what Alison had on him and she obviously thinks that it’s important to keep him as an ally. If something really did happen to him, then Spencer might feel guilty? Or maybe he’s the gay character since the actor doesn’t mind getting cosy with men, haha.

Ugh yes and the way Ezra and Toby treat Aria and Spencer is very archaic and it’s very ironic because this is a very a feminist show and promotes female empowerment? Both of them insist on protecting them even though it’s been proven time and again that both of them, or at least Spencer, are capable of looking after each other. Someone on AfterEllen stated that Caleb didn’t punch Zack because he thought that Hanna couldn’t take care of herself, but because no one believe her.

Even now she refuses to tell the truth and it’s terrible to watch. I get that telling the truth would influence her future the most, especially given her past with the cops, but it doesn’t matter whether or whether not the cops believe her, because her case would be taken to court and the judge has the final say. Also Veronica could be her lawyer. It’s appalling how daft this girl is.

Troian and Ashley sometimes look as if they are bored out of their minds with PLL and both of them have been very vocal about not wanting to play teenagers until the end of the time, but, yes, those two are fantastic! It is definitely hard to comment on Shay’s acting because PLL is her first big gig and before that she was a model. I think that out of the four leads she’s definitely the weakest but she’s improved since season one. It’s just very hard to discern whether Emily is a poorly written character or Shay is a bad actress. She always has that same worried and confused look on her face but when given the right scene she can shine. I think of the scene when Emily finds out that Maya died and Shay totally nailed. I also heard from other people that her comedic timing is perfect, so maybe it is the poor writing? I reckon that Shay won’t pursue acting after PLL ends, but who knows. Lucy is kinda interesting because she was already famous before the show and started off as a singer and then turned to acting. She was also attached to the show from the beginning, probably as in that Troian, Ashley and Shay had to audition and she didn’t? Curiously enough she has the biggest fanbase out of the girls.

It’s Tuesday again, finally! I do look forward how this all plays out! By the way, I saw your message in the shoutbox and once I started to write on of my posts there was still daylight and when I was done it was really dark outside!?

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I’m not sure. A lot of people on social media are begging for the twin thing to happen and given the writers’ history of fanservice, it wouldn’t surprise if they really do head down that path. I think that at the moment it’s one of the possible options? I also don’t think that Ali is the one with a twin. The idea of a possible Ali twin has been up in the air since her return but last week’s episode reinforced the idea that there’s only one Ali. I also think that her attire was a nod to the Vivian Darkbloom persona from season one/two.
Yes and Jason’s storylines were either short-lived or dropped completely. I reckon that they can’t recast that part because they’ve already done so before and it’d be odd to switch actors towards the end of the show. They certainly don’t mind using him a red-herring though, just as the other 9855678 minor characters.
Agreed about Peter.

Marlene and her promises are funny. We are supposed to get a gay character on the show since season three but that hasn’t happened so far. Also an astonishing amount of things get leaked online. Last season the scripts of several episodes popped up on the net. How on earth does that happen? Plus, neither the cast nor the writers keep sightings on set secret, which leads to fans figuring out what happens in the next episodes in the span of 15 minutes. Plus, Marlene and Co. keep on spoiling the show for us. Why? Is the marketing department of the show really that bad that the writers have to keep the fans talking?!
The only sensible thing would be to make a movie which doesn’t tie to the rest of the story, but that’d be incredibly crass and pointless.

Yes and the way he responded to Caleb was really odd too. He didn’t dispute the accusations, in fact, he admitted to hitting on a minor and he even tried to rationalise his behaviour. You ought to think that someone who’s about to get married would DENY and DOWNPLAY his actions because, well, he’s about to get married.
That’s true, we don’t know what happened the first time around. I also believe that Ella really wanted to find happiness? Her first love cheated on her, was single for a while, was dating around and found someone who appeared to genuinely like her for who she was. It makes sense that she would turn a blind eye to whatever happened.

Aria’s way past being madly in love with Ezra. The girl is deluded. How on earth does someone go from being mad at someone for STALKING them one minute and the next minute they are defending them because of a stupid scar which, by the way, was their own fault? Aria needs to get her strawberry together, ASAP.
Oh, I’m certain that both Tanner and Holbrook get the bigger picture. I remember that board at the police station, when Hanna was snooping around, and it was spot on. If I remember correctly, it even had Maya on it and they referred to Wren as “Dr.” Kingston, so they are definitely onto something. It wouldn’t surprise me if one of them ended up being dead because they were close to solving the mystery. Perhaps A sees them as a threat?
Argh, how could I forget that the majority of the fandom is made of Ezria shippers?

It’s very confusing because we don’t really know which A was Mona and which one is the current one. We also don’t know if Ali’s story of the night she disappeared is true or not because she did leave out some details (i.e. her meeting with Byron). Right now we are lead to believe that Mona tricked Ali into leaving town since that was her ultimate goal. One year later a body shows up and everyone believes that it’s Alison. Mona starts harassing the girls and knows that Ali is alive; her motive is still unclear but we are lead to believe that she worked for someone else: Red Coat/Über A. We also know that Mona didn’t kill Ian because she was the A who gave Emily the hint that his death wasn’t a suicide and that there was something fishy about it, so Über A probably killed both Ian and Garrett and presumably tried to kill Jason – all members of the NAT club.
Now, I believe that the NAT club must somehow be involved in the death of Bethany. I refuse to believe that there isn’t any sort of connection because Garrett, Ian, Jason, CeCe, Jenna and Melissa were roaming around at the DiLaurentis’ property and it’s improbable that they didn’t notice a girl getting buried alive. Perhaps A knew Bethany and if the NAT club was really involved in her death, it sorta explains why A is after them? My head is pounding now, I’m sorry.

Haha what, that’s funny.

YES YES YES that sounds grande. I love the idea of Mona and Spencer cruising in a hippie van while kicking some serious apple and Toby keeps everything neat and tidy. They definitely should hire us for writing a Mona/Spencer/Melissa/Toby spin-off. Wren can also be the big bad, their archenemy so to speak, since everyone involved has some sort of beef with him. Also, I’d love to see them work as undercover cops, even 21 Jump Street style, since both Mona and Spencer are great at breaking in at places and blending perfectly in.

I think that it was slightly out of character. Obviously it was supposed to be surprising but there wasn’t any indication of Toby being a well-read person, or, let’s say that he enjoyed reading? Thinking about it we don’t know that much about Toby either, I guess. It would have made sense, if we saw him preparing for his entrance exam for the police academy by reading famous literature, among other things, but that didn’t happen either, so yeah.
Eh, the writers don’t waste chances to make people’s panties drop. Right now they don’t have any excuses to show Keegan topless so a uniform it is. Frig, when Ezra was in hospital, they made sure to draw fake abs on him. And ‘butterface’ is a word that I need to add to my vocabulary because it’s spot on. Now I feel bad.
It bothers me that Toby doesn’t see or realise that Spencer is the hero in this story. She figured out who A is twice and every time she crumbles, she gets up and puts herself together. I can empathise with the idea of wanting to protect the people you love, but as you said, Spencer can take care of herself.
I think that it’ll either go horribly wrong or terribly well. Marlene loves Toby and I have my slight doubts that she would make precious Cop!Toby fail.

Yes, exactly! I believe that Alison is definitely delusional. I love how Spencer had to remind her that she was never kidnapped in the first place. She would stick at nothing to make everyone believe that she was kidnapped.
Ali’s hatred/obsession with Jenna is really unhealthy and it reminds me of Mona’s obsession with Ali, to a certain extent. Ali was jealous of Jenna because the latter was a serious threat to her Queen B throne and she didn’t succumb to Ali’s advances. I’m sure that Ali was mad that Jenna didn’t want to be part of her mean girls squad. It’s really sickening, if you think about it. Also Sydney told Emily that Alison basically destroyed Jenna when she visited her at the hospital and it’s really disturbing.

Well according to the synopsis of episode 12, A hinders them from telling the truth. I’m glad that Spencer wanted to come clear now at least twice, so that’s cool. From the looks of it, it’s actually the girls who seek Mona after help and we see all girls working together in one of the promos for the finale of 5A. Marlene also said that the Mona’s army storyline is set to conclude in 5A. I just wonder who Ali is going to recruit for her ‘army’. I’m also thrilled about the idea of the liars and Mona/Jenna/Melissa working together.
Yeah, in this episode Spencer seemed rather nasty to Hanna whenever she corrected her or told her to keep quiet? I don’t think that she means ill, in fact, I think she does it because she loves Hanna. I guess it has something to do with the way Spencer is – very blunt, honest and straight to the point. Also Mona and Hanna have a different history with each other. Mona turned Hanna into an Ali clone but I believe that she still somewhat cared for her? She was very upset when Hanna cut all ties with her back in season three and I think it goes way beyond her obsession with Ali. I suppose that Hanna was her only, real friend and whenever they communicate with each other that history kinda shines through.

Exactly! I get that the police in Rosewood is corrupt but this is just ridiculous.

I never thought of it in that way, but it makes sense, especially since this is an otherwise very feminist show and stamping the bad girl image on Ali would be very stereotypical. I think the writers mentioned that they want to address Ali’s sexuality in this season because people have been wondering about it since the ‘Emison’ hook-up or whatever the heck that was.
The whole flashback was really weird. Oh, and the scene when Alison arrives at the basement. She looked traumatised. When she told Tanner about how Cyrus held her captive, it looked as if she was reliving that moment and now there’s the question of whether or whether not it really happened. She was restless when she told Tanner her story but when she met up with Cyrus, she seemed calm, well-composed and in control of her emotions? When Hanna, I think, asked her about the scar she told her that once someone knows the truth they cannot unknow it, which may indicate that it might have happened or maybe she was bluffing the whole time? Also Cyrus told her that he could have easily spilled the beans on her, so there’s definitely more going on.

Yes, that’d be amazing! The question is if the writers are capable of pulling that off. I mean, they aren’t that bad. Season one and two were great and the writers didn’t change, so… Yeah, their relationships felt very natural, even after they got their divorce it was interesting to see those two interact. It didn’t feel awkward.

I love Veronica too! Her scenes with Spencer are very heart-warming. I remember that scene when she told Spencer that both of them are moving out because she split up with Peter, it was incredible. I think it makes sense that Alison would want to be a Hastings, especially since they are already a household name, seemingly ordinary and because her family own family is so dysfunctional. Also the Hastings are very competitive and who else loves competition?
That would have been really cool. Too bad that Alison ended up being alive.

Agreed about Emily and Spencer. Both of them are so fundamentally different. Emily, for instance, prefers to give people the benefit of doubt and genuinely believes in the good of the people. She’s well-natured and gentle and Spencer is the complete opposite by being very impulsive and accusing everyone and their grandmother of being A, so it makes sense that those clash with each other.
I sorta understand why she was behaving the way she did but once it turned out that Ali was alive she completely regressed as a person and it was a darn shame. I do understand that Ali was her first love so it made things worse for her. I’m glad that she has finally come to her senses now.
She may reconcile with Swimmy? In one of the sneak peeks for today’s episode, she wants to talk with Paige, so I suppose that Emily is on something of an apology spree. Also since the girls are working with Mona now, it would make sense to seek Swimmy.
It’s a terrible shame that they didn’t follow the books regarding Ezria. In the books Ezra gets arrested and moves way and Aria moves on. Even now all Aria does is hanging out Ezra’s apartment while the rest of them are continuously putting their lives at risk. By the way, when Emily confronted Alison in episode 10, did you notice how she left out Aria? She told Ali about how Hanna broke her leg, how Spencer went to Radley and how she was almost killed in that elevator but said nothing about Aria? I thought it was hilarious because Aria has never been through the fraction of fudgery the other girls went through.

Yes, exactly! Troian Bellisario is basically my (girl) crush. She’s so great and probably my favourite out of the four leading ladies.

I thought that Melissa was going to be the big, shocking death of this season but this is one heck of a red-herring. Nah, I’m convinced that she won’t die. She’ll probably flee to Europe, cutting off all ties with Rosewood and Spencer then finds the tape – not knowing what to do with it. I love the idea of those two running off and Melissa stepping into the single mother figure. That’d be awesome.

The funny thing is that Noel was never really a bad guy to begin with. Yes, he’s a ladies man and a bit opportunistic (dating both Mona and Jenna) but that’s about it. His beef with the girls didn’t start until he found out that Aria and Ezra were a thing and he clearly thought that it was wrong. I mean, yeah, instead of trying to blackmail Ezra, he could have gone to the authorities but it makes sense for a junior in high school to take such a secret to one’s advantage. He kinda had a defeated look on his face, when Spencer repeatedly asked him what Alison had on him and she obviously thinks that it’s important to keep him as an ally. If something really did happen to him, then Spencer might feel guilty? Or maybe he’s the gay character since the actor doesn’t mind getting cosy with men, haha.

Ugh yes and the way Ezra and Toby treat Aria and Spencer is very archaic and it’s very ironic because this is a very a feminist show and promotes female empowerment? Both of them insist on protecting them even though it’s been proven time and again that both of them, or at least Spencer, are capable of looking after each other. Someone on AfterEllen stated that Caleb didn’t punch Zack because he thought that Hanna couldn’t take care of herself, but because no one believe her.

Even now she refuses to tell the truth and it’s terrible to watch. I get that telling the truth would influence her future the most, especially given her past with the cops, but it doesn’t matter whether or whether not the cops believe her, because her case would be taken to court and the judge has the final say. Also Veronica could be her lawyer. It’s appalling how daft this girl is.

Troian and Ashley sometimes look as if they are bored out of their minds with PLL and both of them have been very vocal about not wanting to play teenagers until the end of the time, but, yes, those two are fantastic! It is definitely hard to comment on Shay’s acting because PLL is her first big gig and before that she was a model. I think that out of the four leads she’s definitely the weakest but she’s improved since season one. It’s just very hard to discern whether Emily is a poorly written character or Shay is a bad actress. She always has that same worried and confused look on her face but when given the right scene she can shine. I think of the scene when Emily finds out that Maya died and Shay totally nailed. I also heard from other people that her comedic timing is perfect, so maybe it is the poor writing? I reckon that Shay won’t pursue acting after PLL ends, but who knows. Lucy is kinda interesting because she was already famous before the show and started off as a singer and then turned to acting. She was also attached to the show from the beginning, probably as in that Troian, Ashley and Shay had to audition and she didn’t? Curiously enough she has the biggest fanbase out of the girls.

It’s Tuesday again, finally! I do look forward how this all plays out! By the way, I saw your message in the shoutbox and once I started to write on of my posts there was still daylight and when I was done it was really dark outside!?

Yeah, I can more see them going down the twin route in a different way. Like maybe one of the girls, or an enemy or something, but probably not Ali having a twin. It would nod to the books without copying it? And they did promise that they weren't going to copy the books so idk idk man. Yeah, the presentation of Ali in the wig suggested instead that she was just using an alias/disguise, and mentioning the Vivian Darkbloom stuff again (which was interesting - as an anagram for Nabokov, who wrote about paedophiles, is the show acknowledging and criticising by linking it to Ali's toxic personality?)
At this point I think all Jason theories can be dropped. He hasn't done anything (probably) and, I'd say at least, is the most likely to be killed off this season. It would upset Ali's confidence again, would dig up connections to the Hastings family again (which has always had a strong focus) and would allow the actor to leave and fulfil his other obligations.

Yeah, they've been talking about this other gay character for ages (what I'd REALLY love is if they added a bisexual/pansexual/asexual character - no other tv show has done this) and it's never happened?? and they've never concretely confirmed shana and jenna's relationship which is really frustrating. like they've nodded to it and danced around it but just won't say anything.
I'm not 100% sure those scripts made it to the internet accidentally. It would be pretty hard to accidentally leak a script, and there's no reason to go out of your way to do it without it being for marketing (like you won't get a massive payout for leaking a PLL script...). They're marketing technique needs improved big time.

It's weird that we haven't actually seen Holden lately? People seem really upset that the girls are being "harassed" by Tanner, but as I understand it - the girls are 18 and thus can be interviewed without an adult present? Thus, Tanner's perfectly entitled to ask them questions? Plus, she's being quite vague and inviting about it, not directly accusing or threatening them, so they can come to trust her.

It's becoming clear that there are two A's in Rosewood now. This episode had Mona looking kind of clueless about some stuff, so I think there's a lot of confusion and overlap amongst all of the parties. By having all of these parties it's getting super hard to piece together that night, because every time the girls speak to someone they're getting a different answer.

TOBY IN AN APRON WITH A FEATHER DUSTER tutting and muttering about "those two always make such a mess". I think they'd be really funny as undercover cops, just not deliberately. Like constantly sniping at eachother and being really sarcastic with everyone omg I'm in love.

I would love if it turned out that Toby was dyslexic or something? And he's been listening to audiobooks instead to make up for it, because he knows Spencer loves to read. That'd be sweet and would introduce some form of disability which is what the show sort of lacks sometimes. Spencer is absolutely the hero of the story, and she will be the one who ultimately saves the day at the end of the show. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone else really realises this?

I'm excited for the finale. I'm hoping it shows a total break from the reign of Alison by showing the girls working with others. It's certainly looking promising for 5B.

I'm very intrigued about that basement stuff. They did a great job of filling the episode with doubts as to what had and had not happened.

I'm very disappointed that they didn't follow the books re: Ezria. Like, it's such a gross relationship. :/
Yes, I did notice that! The only thing A has on Aria is the affair Byron had (which was dealt with) and her relationship with Ezra (no longer illegal and no longer happening). Also, the girls were told not to tell the truth about Alison's "kidnapping" by A, who blackmailed them with images of Alison in Hanna's hotel room - but they could just say that they had no idea that was her? Like Hanna totally doubted herself because she was tired AND on pain medication so she could argue she was totally loopy and the other girls weren't there and struggled to believe Hanna to begin with anyway. They can, quite seriously, still talk. The only real threat would be images from the night they found out she was alive.

Well, unless Melissa turns up in a ditch in the next episode, it looks like she was a red herring. I loved that the dvd revealed that Melissa had buried a body to protect her sister, it was really sweet and spoke about the sibling love that's been there all along. I also though it was such a cruel twist for Melissa to find out that the girl had been alive when she'd done it - also, did she find this out through the NAT club? Or insiders into the investigation? Was this information released publicly?

Yeah, Noel was never a bad guy, but he was made to look like one for a long time. It's weird that they've suddenly brought him back into the show, but I like the way he's representing the instability of a friendship with Alison - you will always be second guessing, and wondering when she's going to turn on you. He has a lot in common with the girls in that respect. Noel is either going to get hurt/die and make Spencer feel bad or be absolutely socially destroyed by some big secret that Alison tells everyone about.

In the end, it's the right thing to do. Aria confessing would give Shana's family closure and would also allow Aria to come to terms with it. The problem is that a self defence plea would need to use all the stuff about A and Alison and Ezra to succeed. Either way, though, Aria is guilty of murder to some extent. Maybe prison would do her good - it would get her away from Ezra, at least.

I'm really excited for Tuesday's episode now!
Yeah, they take a worrying amount of time for me to right. :S

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Aug 24, 2014 16:11:04 GMT V said:

Yeah, I can more see them going down the twin route in a different way. Like maybe one of the girls, or an enemy or something, but probably not Ali having a twin. It would nod to the books without copying it? And they did promise that they weren't going to copy the books so idk idk man. Yeah, the presentation of Ali in the wig suggested instead that she was just using an alias/disguise, and mentioning the Vivian Darkbloom stuff again (which was interesting - as an anagram for Nabokov, who wrote about paedophiles, is the show acknowledging and criticising by linking it to Ali's toxic personality?)
At this point I think all Jason theories can be dropped. He hasn't done anything (probably) and, I'd say at least, is the most likely to be killed off this season. It would upset Ali's confidence again, would dig up connections to the Hastings family again (which has always had a strong focus) and would allow the actor to leave and fulfil his other obligations.

Yeah, they've been talking about this other gay character for ages (what I'd REALLY love is if they added a bisexual/pansexual/asexual character - no other tv show has done this) and it's never happened?? and they've never concretely confirmed shana and jenna's relationship which is really frustrating. like they've nodded to it and danced around it but just won't say anything.
I'm not 100% sure those scripts made it to the internet accidentally. It would be pretty hard to accidentally leak a script, and there's no reason to go out of your way to do it without it being for marketing (like you won't get a massive payout for leaking a PLL script...). They're marketing technique needs improved big time.

It's weird that we haven't actually seen Holden lately? People seem really upset that the girls are being "harassed" by Tanner, but as I understand it - the girls are 18 and thus can be interviewed without an adult present? Thus, Tanner's perfectly entitled to ask them questions? Plus, she's being quite vague and inviting about it, not directly accusing or threatening them, so they can come to trust her.

It's becoming clear that there are two A's in Rosewood now. This episode had Mona looking kind of clueless about some stuff, so I think there's a lot of confusion and overlap amongst all of the parties. By having all of these parties it's getting super hard to piece together that night, because every time the girls speak to someone they're getting a different answer.

TOBY IN AN APRON WITH A FEATHER DUSTER tutting and muttering about "those two always make such a mess". I think they'd be really funny as undercover cops, just not deliberately. Like constantly sniping at eachother and being really sarcastic with everyone omg I'm in love.

I would love if it turned out that Toby was dyslexic or something? And he's been listening to audiobooks instead to make up for it, because he knows Spencer loves to read. That'd be sweet and would introduce some form of disability which is what the show sort of lacks sometimes. Spencer is absolutely the hero of the story, and she will be the one who ultimately saves the day at the end of the show. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone else really realises this?

I'm excited for the finale. I'm hoping it shows a total break from the reign of Alison by showing the girls working with others. It's certainly looking promising for 5B.

I'm very intrigued about that basement stuff. They did a great job of filling the episode with doubts as to what had and had not happened.

I'm very disappointed that they didn't follow the books re: Ezria. Like, it's such a gross relationship. :/
Yes, I did notice that! The only thing A has on Aria is the affair Byron had (which was dealt with) and her relationship with Ezra (no longer illegal and no longer happening). Also, the girls were told not to tell the truth about Alison's "kidnapping" by A, who blackmailed them with images of Alison in Hanna's hotel room - but they could just say that they had no idea that was her? Like Hanna totally doubted herself because she was tired AND on pain medication so she could argue she was totally loopy and the other girls weren't there and struggled to believe Hanna to begin with anyway. They can, quite seriously, still talk. The only real threat would be images from the night they found out she was alive.

Well, unless Melissa turns up in a ditch in the next episode, it looks like she was a red herring. I loved that the dvd revealed that Melissa had buried a body to protect her sister, it was really sweet and spoke about the sibling love that's been there all along. I also though it was such a cruel twist for Melissa to find out that the girl had been alive when she'd done it - also, did she find this out through the NAT club? Or insiders into the investigation? Was this information released publicly?

Yeah, Noel was never a bad guy, but he was made to look like one for a long time. It's weird that they've suddenly brought him back into the show, but I like the way he's representing the instability of a friendship with Alison - you will always be second guessing, and wondering when she's going to turn on you. He has a lot in common with the girls in that respect. Noel is either going to get hurt/die and make Spencer feel bad or be absolutely socially destroyed by some big secret that Alison tells everyone about.

In the end, it's the right thing to do. Aria confessing would give Shana's family closure and would also allow Aria to come to terms with it. The problem is that a self defence plea would need to use all the stuff about A and Alison and Ezra to succeed. Either way, though, Aria is guilty of murder to some extent. Maybe prison would do her good - it would get her away from Ezra, at least.

I'm really excited for Tuesday's episode now!
Yeah, they take a worrying amount of time for me to right. :S

Yeah, exactly! For all we know Ali/CeCe and Jenna/Sydney could be the writers' way of tackling the twin theory on the show. Does Jenna even know that Sydney sometimes dresses up exactly the way she does?
I think it's interesting that they have referenced "Lolita" so many times on the show. It does fit with Ali's toxic personality and perhaps it's a nod to some of Ali's past relationships?

Marlene said that she wanted to do a coming out story in 5B but with a boy this time. Apparently Paige's coming out storyline was supposed to be bigger but the actress was unavailable at that time. I'd jump up and down if they did introduce a bisexual/pansexual/asexual character because they are so poorly handled on TV *when they appear at all*. Yeah, I wish they would address Jenna/Shana further, especially since Jenna has a history of romantically pursuing people for ulterior motives.
Very true. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a publicity stunt in order to get people talking about the show. The marketing department has to step though. I don't think anyone falls for their misleading promos any more?

Do you mean Holbrook? He'll be back in tomorrow's episode and in the Christmas special. (Holden's going to be back in 5B, though!) I think Emily is the only one who's 18? It's currently unknown who's a minor and who's not. For instance, we saw Aria being questioned while Ella was present but that doesn't have to mean anything. Yes, I think that Tanner wants the girls to trust her and open up to her. She has a rather subtle ton and isn't a creep either. I think it's her intimidating presence and the fact that she's a cop which make the girls shiver.

It's getting really confusing at the moment. Whenever we get an answer from someone, a million new questions pop up. It isn't certain whether there's still an A team or not.

Imagine Toby in a French maid outfit though. Their heads would constantly butt because they are so similar to each other. There'd probably be a lot of snark thrown around as well but in the end of the day they'll probably rekindle because they are partners!

That would be incredibly heart-warming and very thoughtful of Toby. I just can't get behind this relationship at the moment and him doing something along the lines of that would be pretty cool.
I think most people think that Spencer's just obsessed? No one really acknowledges her hard work and or what's she risked over and over again. Whenever she has a plan, she always gets called crazy or is being made fun of. I don't think that other girls mean ill, it's just very sad to watch Spencer sacrifice everything without receiving any credit.

I'm looking forward to how the events of tomorrow's episode is going to effect the girl's relationship with Ali or, at least, how Ali perceives them from now on, especially since she's not going anywhere soon.

I don't think that A even bothers to torture Aria because she's so uninteresting. She received the least amount of texts from A.
I reckon that the girls are hesitant to talk now because A has a history of setting them up and tampering around with police evidence. I also suppose that it's a psychological thing? They don't trust the police and they are convinced that the police won't believe them. I think it's a shame that the girls didn't even try. Also, Spencer has this defeated look on her face when that footage of Ali popped up. It was heart-breaking to watch.

I liked that scene were Spencer imagined that she was standing in front of Melissa while the latter was confessing. It highlighted the sisterly bond between those two and it was tragic. I'm glad that Melissa is portrayed in a sympathetic light now. It's more so tragic when you look at how Spencer and the other girls treated her.
That's a good point. There's probably more to the story. Melissa's confession doesn't match with Ali's recap of what happened in that night or maybe Ali was lying?

Noel's return was random but I'm glad that he isn't some sort of Shana/CeCe clone; helping Ali out for the sake of it. It's also interesting to see other people being worried about Ali's shenanigans who are directly tied into this mess...unwillingly. I hope that they do reveal his secret eventually.

I don't think it's self defence per se, since Shana didn't threaten Aria directly. It was more Aria helping out the girls, who were in imminent danger, idk what the legal term is. I think they could have easily left out the A/Ezra stuff and just say that Shana/someone in a hoodie was threatening them with a gun. The evidence at the theatre would have matched Aria's story too. Now she's guilty of leaving the crime scene and lying to the police. I'd loved to see her getting arrested though. They need to giver her storylines which do not involve Ezra.

By the way, I don't know if you have watched it, but Shay and Troian starred in a short film called 'Immediately Afterlife'. It's an interesting watch and Shay's great in it!

I hope the episode is as exciting and as intriguing as the two promos. I'm thrilled about the liars + Mona working together against Alison!

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Aug 25, 2014 21:02:00 GMT Jinniy said:

Yeah, exactly! For all we know Ali/CeCe and Jenna/Sydney could be the writers' way of tackling the twin theory on the show. Does Jenna even know that Sydney sometimes dresses up exactly the way she does?
I think it's interesting that they have referenced "Lolita" so many times on the show. It does fit with Ali's toxic personality and perhaps it's a nod to some of Ali's past relationships?

Marlene said that she wanted to do a coming out story in 5B but with a boy this time. Apparently Paige's coming out storyline was supposed to be bigger but the actress was unavailable at that time. I'd jump up and down if they did introduce a bisexual/pansexual/asexual character because they are so poorly handled on TV *when they appear at all*. Yeah, I wish they would address Jenna/Shana further, especially since Jenna has a history of romantically pursuing people for ulterior motives.
Very true. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a publicity stunt in order to get people talking about the show. The marketing department has to step though. I don't think anyone falls for their misleading promos any more?

Do you mean Holbrook? He'll be back in tomorrow's episode and in the Christmas special. (Holden's going to be back in 5B, though!) I think Emily is the only one who's 18? It's currently unknown who's a minor and who's not. For instance, we saw Aria being questioned while Ella was present but that doesn't have to mean anything. Yes, I think that Tanner wants the girls to trust her and open up to her. She has a rather subtle ton and isn't a creep either. I think it's her intimidating presence and the fact that she's a cop which make the girls shiver.

It's getting really confusing at the moment. Whenever we get an answer from someone, a million new questions pop up. It isn't certain whether there's still an A team or not.

Imagine Toby in a French maid outfit though. Their heads would constantly butt because they are so similar to each other. There'd probably be a lot of snark thrown around as well but in the end of the day they'll probably rekindle because they are partners!

That would be incredibly heart-warming and very thoughtful of Toby. I just can't get behind this relationship at the moment and him doing something along the lines of that would be pretty cool.
I think most people think that Spencer's just obsessed? No one really acknowledges her hard work and or what's she risked over and over again. Whenever she has a plan, she always gets called crazy or is being made fun of. I don't think that other girls mean ill, it's just very sad to watch Spencer sacrifice everything without receiving any credit.

I'm looking forward to how the events of tomorrow's episode is going to effect the girl's relationship with Ali or, at least, how Ali perceives them from now on, especially since she's not going anywhere soon.

I don't think that A even bothers to torture Aria because she's so uninteresting. She received the least amount of texts from A.
I reckon that the girls are hesitant to talk now because A has a history of setting them up and tampering around with police evidence. I also suppose that it's a psychological thing? They don't trust the police and they are convinced that the police won't believe them. I think it's a shame that the girls didn't even try. Also, Spencer has this defeated look on her face when that footage of Ali popped up. It was heart-breaking to watch.

I liked that scene were Spencer imagined that she was standing in front of Melissa while the latter was confessing. It highlighted the sisterly bond between those two and it was tragic. I'm glad that Melissa is portrayed in a sympathetic light now. It's more so tragic when you look at how Spencer and the other girls treated her.
That's a good point. There's probably more to the story. Melissa's confession doesn't match with Ali's recap of what happened in that night or maybe Ali was lying?

Noel's return was random but I'm glad that he isn't some sort of Shana/CeCe clone; helping Ali out for the sake of it. It's also interesting to see other people being worried about Ali's shenanigans who are directly tied into this mess...unwillingly. I hope that they do reveal his secret eventually.

I don't think it's self defence per se, since Shana didn't threaten Aria directly. It was more Aria helping out the girls, who were in imminent danger, idk what the legal term is. I think they could have easily left out the A/Ezra stuff and just say that Shana/someone in a hoodie was threatening them with a gun. The evidence at the theatre would have matched Aria's story too. Now she's guilty of leaving the crime scene and lying to the police. I'd loved to see her getting arrested though. They need to giver her storylines which do not involve Ezra.

By the way, I don't know if you have watched it, but Shay and Troian starred in a short film called 'Immediately Afterlife'. It's an interesting watch and Shay's great in it!

I hope the episode is as exciting and as intriguing as the two promos. I'm thrilled about the liars + Mona working together against Alison!

I'm gonna watch Immediately Afterlife this weekend, actually!

Well THAT was an episode. It definitely drew a line between Alison and the girls!!! I can't believe Alison killed Mona (or at least we've been lead to think that, anyway). I'm pretty sad, cause Mona was really growing on me. It was nice to see that Lucas was genuinely upset too.

Interestingly, since Mona was always paralleled with Spencer: does that threaten Spencer's life?

I'm so glad Melissa made it out alive, now sisterly bonds can prevail.

Soz it took so long to reply to this, I've been craaaazy busy.

pepsic0laa @ stardoll

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